Crisp Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Is that it's required for a planned illumiroom in the future :shiftyninja: MikeChipshop 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SierraSonic Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I hope illumiroom comes to PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSib Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 That would be cool... but don't you think you would want to advertise a cool feature like that? Oh wait, they are so bad at marketing that they wouldn't do that. I'd rather just take $100 off the sticker price and if a game comes out that I need it for, then I could buy it -- like Just Dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houtei Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 If kinect is not bundled with xbox one there will be no games you need to buy it for cause no developer is going to waste the money on something only half the xbox one owners have. To me Kinect is a PART of the xbox one. I mean if we are going to sell the kinect separately lets just knock off another 50 bucks and remove the damn bluray drive and sell it separately cause hey some people dont need it or want it like me that plan on going all digital. Hell lets take take the hdd out except for just waht is needed for the OS and some apps to run. I mean some of us don't need that crap we can just go buy MS external hdd sold separately if we really need it. This goes for ps4 as well. Alright now we should be more around $299. Oh yeah I almost forgot let take that pesky wifi out cause I dont need or want that because I use wired. Now we are talking $249.99 YEAH Elliot B. and Showan 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper11 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I really don't know what the discussion serves anymore We don't know MS' plans or reasons for bundling exactly. If you want to look at the leaked info about what MS (and Sony by the way) are researching, you can see that both are pursuing various alternative control options, including motion controls, voice controls, augmented reality , vr, etc. MS has been researching the Illumiroom tech along with augmented reality glasses (something like google glass) and a full on vr headset like Oculus Rift. Sony is also heavily investing in vr tech. Kinect, or some form of motion and voice control can certainly be a big part of a vr experience, so it wouldn't be shocking if this was a long term goal. Regardless, none of this changes how people feel about it. You either want it as it is now or not. FunkyMike 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pupik Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I hope illumiroom comes to PC. Going to be a waste. You sit too close to the monitor to make use of the features of the IllumiRoom. Elliot B. and IM_bck 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lingwo Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 The reason they're bundling the kinect in the XB1, is to encourage developers into including it in their games as they know they'll have access to 100% of the XB1 market. Microsoft made the mistake with the 360 by not having a hard drive on every system, which caused a lot of trouble later down the line. Showan, The_Decryptor and IM_bck 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJerman Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 It will definitely use the Kinect for that, but no, that's not why it's bundled. It wasn't a question why it was bundled though, they've said from the start it's so developers KNOW you have a Kinect and can develop accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunkyMike Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I really don't know what the discussion serves anymore We don't know MS' plans or reasons for bundling exactly. If you want to look at the leaked info about what MS (and Sony by the way) are researching, you can see that both are pursuing various alternative control options, including motion controls, voice controls, augmented reality , vr, etc. MS has been researching the Illumiroom tech along with augmented reality glasses (something like google glass) and a full on vr headset like Oculus Rift. Sony is also heavily investing in vr tech. Kinect, or some form of motion and voice control can certainly be a big part of a vr experience, so it wouldn't be shocking if this was a long term goal. Regardless, none of this changes how people feel about it. You either want it as it is now or not. I am also curious if that rumour for mid term refresh + VR/AUG still holds true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhearted Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Illumiroom... an even bigger and much more expensive gimmick than kinect. The reason they're bundling the kinect in the XB1, is to encourage developers into including it in their games as they know they'll have access to 100% of the XB1 market. Microsoft made the mistake with the 360 by not having a hard drive on every system, which caused a lot of trouble later down the line. The lack of a proper optical drive for this gen also became an issue down the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleNeutrino Veteran Posted August 21, 2013 Veteran Share Posted August 21, 2013 I was surprised we did not see more about Illumiroom either at E3 or GamesCom as they have not really given any information except for the teaser. No concept hardware for the projector or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper11 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 If we want to discuss the larger implications of all off this stuff like illumiroom, vr, etc, it would seem to me that Both Sony and MS intend to bring new tech to these consoles at some point during its life. It make sense from their perspective. If they want a console that is going to be around for 10 years, then if they can upgrade them somehow during that time, they can keep demand higher for longer. They can't upgrade the internal hardware, so why not add a new interface. MS found out that you can have some success with that strategy when they introduced Kinect. It bolstered sales for a while, but a lack of content support meant that it didn't have a long life. I wouldn't be shocked at all if we see a vr headset similar to the oculus rift released for both consoles at some point during the next gen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the better twin Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 One word: advertisements. (Or should that be NUADs). Kinect bundled with every Xbox is Microsofts chance to steal googles advertising revenue through people searching through their Xbox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper11 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I'm not sure how Kinect makes them more money in advertising then putting ads all over the dashboard, but I guess anything is possible. If that really is the reason they are bundling it, it sure is an expensive and risky way to push ads. I could think of cheaper and more effective manners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the better twin Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I'm not sure how Kinect makes them more money in advertising then putting ads all over the dashboard, but I guess anything is possible. If that really is the reason they are bundling it, it sure is an expensive and risky way to push ads. I could think of cheaper and more effective manners. Targeted advertising makes a lot more money. The examples in the demos Microsoft have given show people interacting with the ads, placing orders through the Xbox etc. Of course there are all the ads for the services too like music and videos. Once you get people hooked into an eco system and build a profile on their likes/dislikes (which kinects emotion tracking will even be able to help with) then it is a dream for advertisers giving them a window into the living room. Its actually quite impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper11 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Targeted advertising makes a lot more money. The examples in the demos Microsoft have given show people interacting with the ads, placing orders through the Xbox etc. Of course there are all the ads for the services too like music and videos. Once you get people hooked into an eco system and build a profile on their likes/dislikes (which kinects emotion tracking will even be able to help with) then it is a dream for advertisers giving them a window into the living room. Its actually quite impressive. Well if that is true, at least we all have the choice to avoid it and still use an X1. Turning it off or unplugging it that is. I did read about their NUADs stuff, so itll be interesting to see what comes of it. Of course if they do it right, most people might not care if it exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neoadorable Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Actually now that Kinect is optional I don't mind it so much. Will never do all the jumping and stuff, but swinging my arms around quietly without disturbing the neighbors while playing Ryse sounds pretty cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerowen Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 You mean it isn't a back door for the NSA to spy on your conversations? :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SierraSonic Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Going to be a waste. You sit too close to the monitor to make use of the features of the IllumiRoom. You must not use a 48 inch samsung tv for your monitor then. ;o I usually use it from a console like distance thanks to wireless technology. I play games mainly with a kb+m because it is superior for everything, even though for some games I play around with a controller, mainly emulation.But Since this type of rig is pretty cheap, heck some monitors cost a lot more, I dont see why there wouldn't be a market for it, if some games come out for kinect on the pc, I would get it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neoadorable Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 The NSA and other such agencies have been spying on us long before Kinect. Its true there are some unpleasant implications to Kinect, but surveillance isn't one of them. Most people think nothing of the dual cameras and very sensitive mics in their smartphones and tablets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GotBored Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 illumiroom is a projector which is supposed to face towards your tv, its more likely that kinect would get interference from illumiroom rather than be a requirement for it. Microsoft bundled the kinect because its a technology they want to be used and taken advantage of, they also spent a lot in R&D to make it what it is and bundled it so those costs would be covered. Showan 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Showan Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 illumiroom is a projector which is supposed to face towards your tv, its more likely that kinect would get interference from illumiroom rather than be a requirement for it. Microsoft bundled the kinect because its a technology they want to be used and taken advantage of, they also spent a lot in R&D to make it what it is and bundled it so those costs would be covered. Neo we are usually on different sides of an argument... But there is NO arguing this one. :D R&D on Kinect v2 cost MS a ton of $$$. The actual Xbox One itself probably did not need as much time in a R&D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLH Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 The reason isn't any more complicated than developer support. Although I do hope Illumiroom comes to light, looks awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BajiRav Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 The reason isn't any more complicated than developer support. Although I do hope Illumiroom comes to light, looks awesome. If they could make it work with projectors that people already have, that will be even better. probably won't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neoadorable Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Illumiroom? Illuminati in your room? Need to have a chat with that copywriter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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