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#31 adrynalyne

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 16:08

NO Dogs Allowed.

 

Some people just don't like animals and eating around them.

They can find them disgusting and everyone needs to be taken into consideration. 

especially the majority of the people in the restaurant over the guy who brought the dog.

A dog is a dog no matter how well bread, dressed and trained it is.

Dogs are cleaner than a lot of people.

 

Ironic...

 

I guess if people find wheelchairs disgusting, they shouldn't be allowed either.

 

I don't get this "sanitary" argument presented throughout this thread.  If it bothers you, stop eating off of the floor. :rolleyes:




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Posted 28 August 2013 - 16:20

Anyone can have a dog if the want.

 

Just no need of a dog to eat in a restaurant.

 

He isn't blind.

 

Feel free to lobby to get the law changed. Make sure to take the time to personally determine what is and isn't a valid disability.



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 16:21

NO Dogs Allowed.

 

Some people just don't like animals and eating around them.

They can find them disgusting and everyone needs to be taken into consideration. 

especially the majority of the people in the restaurant over the guy who brought the dog.

A dog is a dog no matter how well bread, dressed and trained it is.

 

See above.



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 16:23

This issue does get raised.  And once again, these dogs are well trained not to pee in public places.  They are not slobbering hounds.  Believe it or not, such things ARE taken into account by the agencies that train and select the dogs.

 

And a person with a nut allergy can die from a bag of peanuts being opened in the same room.  Do we ban peanuts?

Nothing was said about urinating or slobbering.  Animals are not the cleanest, they will have dried urine and saliva on them along with their dander.  I am not advocating preventing people who need service animals from being able to use public places, but because of the potential for allergies (possibly life threatening), etc., we may consider having areas for them. Comfortable areas for the patron and their service animals.  We see the use of service animals a lot in my area being next to a major military installation and a large number of active and retired military personnel.  There have been no problems here at all, but people do have concerns about the potential health issues, discussion of the situation not derision is the answer.

 

I will ignore the 2 other very patronizing remarks.



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 16:24

Nothing was said about urinating or slobbering.  Animals are not the cleanest, they will have dried urine and saliva on them along with their dander.  I am not advocating preventing people who need service animals from being able to use public places, but because of the potential for allergies (possibly life threatening), etc., we may consider having areas for them. Comfortable areas for the patron and their service animals.  We see the use of service animals a lot in my area being next to a major military installation and a large number of active and retired military personnel.  There have been no problems here at all, but people do have concerns about the potential health issues, discussion of the situation not derision is the answer.

 

I will ignore the 2 other very patronizing remarks.

Can you think of a life threatening incident recently (or ever) where someone was allergic to (wet or dry) urine or saliva?



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 16:27

If you find them patronising so be it. I am sure that segregating those with special needs feel similarly so... Partitioned off from the normals. I know that's not your intent but its how it would be seen, you know how these things are... Integration is key not segregation.

And I would lay money that there are just as many allergens and germs in the street that has dogs and birds and so on.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 16:27

Those dogs are bathed as often as most humans are. I really don't think they are any less sanitary than the average person just by nature of being a dog.

 

Anyway, they are legally allowed to be in places where Joe Average's pet dog would not, on the basis that they are meticulously trained and kept clean and presentable for the public--there are very specific requirements for service dogs.

 

Personal opinions vary wildly but the law is the law in public places. Adding to that, this being a privately owned restaurant, the owner did have every right to refuse him service as well. It doesn't make him a nice person, and the resulting outcry is just as it should be--imagine what would happen if he refused service to a gay person, or a race he didn't like, or some other type of disability... this is just the same. I still maintain that the man should have taken his business elsewhere, but letting people know what sort of person the owner of this place is a good move too. People vote with their wallets and the guy may get his karma ;)



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 16:31

Did the owner have right to refuse him? That surely counts as an illegal discrimination act. Yes its privately owned but as a business there are laws against that.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 16:32

Shedding hair is not the issue, it is the release of dander, saliva or urine that set off allergies. Also a person with asthma can suffer a severe attack, even life threatening.  A balance of can be very difficult to achieve, as brought up by Charisma.

And all of those are non issues. Saliva and urine are not an issue because we are talking about highly trained dogs. Dander is not an issue because the dogs used are usually bred to not cause problems with that.



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 16:34

Did the owner have right to refuse him? That surely counts as an illegal discrimination act. Yes its privately owned but as a business there are laws against that.

They can't deny you for disabilities.

 

http://www.ada.gov/2010_regs.htm

http://www.ada.gov/smbustxt.htm



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 16:36

Can you think of a life threatening incident recently (or ever) where someone was allergic to (wet or dry) urine or saliva?

 

No I can't, certainly doesn't mean it hasn't or can't happen.

If you find them patronising so be it. I am sure that segregating those with special needs feel similarly so... Partitioned off from the normals. I know that's not your intent but its how it would be seen, you know how these things are... Integration is key not segregation.

And I would lay money that there are just as many allergens and germs in the street that has dogs and birds and so on.

 

Education is the most important key.

 

Those dogs are bathed as often as most humans are. I really don't think they are any less sanitary than the average person just by nature of being a dog.

 

Anyway, they are legally allowed to be in places where Joe Average's pet dog would not, on the basis that they are meticulously trained and kept clean and presentable for the public--there are very specific requirements for service dogs.

 

Personal opinions vary wildly but the law is the law in public places. Adding to that, this being a privately owned restaurant, the owner did have every right to refuse him service as well. It doesn't make him a nice person, and the resulting outcry is just as it should be--imagine what would happen if he refused service to a gay person, or a race he didn't like, or some other type of disability... this is just the same. I still maintain that the man should have taken his business elsewhere, but letting people know what sort of person the owner of this place is a good move too. People vote with their wallets and the guy may get his karma ;)

 

Service dogs are often cared for by the owner, bathing, etc.  My aunt has one because she suffers from seizures.  She bathes Fred weekly, brushes him every other day.



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 16:37

Did the owner have right to refuse him? That surely counts as an illegal discrimination act. Yes its privately owned but as a business there are laws against that.

 

The disabled are a protected class, the owner does not have the right to refuse service.



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 16:37

They can't deny you for disabilities.

 

http://www.ada.gov/2010_regs.htm

^Aha, there you go then. I know in some private places (residences, I guess? small shops? I don't know..) they can refuse anyone for any reason, although one obviously should avoid being a jerk if they want to attract business. I wouldn't go to this restaurant after this incident, anyway.



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 16:38

Education is the most important key.


Best thing said in this whole sorry subject

#45 adrynalyne

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 16:39

^Aha, there you go then. I know in some private places (residences, I guess? small shops? I don't know..) they can refuse anyone for any reason, although one obviously should avoid being a jerk if they want to attract business. I wouldn't go to this restaurant after this incident, anyway.

There might be some private businesses that can be excluded.  Restaurants just aren't one of them.





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