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#76 KingCracker

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 14:42

No amount of self-defense classes is going to protect them against a group of 10-12 guys.

I wasn't talking about hand to hand self defense, I was talking more along the lines of a firearm. You would be surprised at how fast they would of ran away. There was a video of a robbery last year 5 guys came in to rob a jewelry store and once the owner showed her weapon they tucked tail and ran, I suspect that these teens would of done the same thing.  




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Posted 02 September 2013 - 14:49

I wasn't talking about hand to hand self defense, I was talking more along the lines of a firearm. You would be surprised at how fast they would of ran away. There was a video of a robbery last year 5 guys came in to rob a jewelry store and once the owner showed her weapon they tucked tail and ran, I suspect that these teens would of done the same thing.  

 

Alternatively, since the attackers had the element of surprise, they could have taken the gun and used it on the women afterwards. Hypothetical situations are fun aren't they?



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 14:49

The EU is nothing like the US in that regard. The US has the same society across all the states, the EU does not.

No its not. California, Oklahoma, Florida, New York, Michigan.... Those have about as much in common as Germany does to Italy. Language means nothing unless you want to claim the UK is the same society as the US?



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 14:51

Alternatively, since the attackers had the element of surprise, they could have taken the gun and used it on the women afterwards. Hypothetical situations are fun aren't they?

Not really. they wouldn't of known she had a firearm if she was concealed carrying. 



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 14:51

Alternatively, since the attackers had the element of surprise, they could have taken the gun and used it on the women afterwards. Hypothetical situations are fun aren't they?

If you want to take that route, I guess it is the woman's fault she got raped. She should have called the police like a civilized individual in a civilized country. Clearly the woman is at fault for her rape since she didn't do that until after she was raped.



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 14:55

why does this thread keep popping up, can it be closed , its depressing seeing this on the homepage



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 14:55

No its not. California, Oklahoma, Florida, New York, Michigan.... Those have about as much in common as Germany does to Italy. Language means nothing unless you want to claim the UK is the same society as the US?

 

You may consider them different but its not the same as the differences between complete and separate countries. You have the same President for one and basically follow the same rules/laws/culture not the same in Europe.

 

If you want to take that route, I guess it is the woman's fault she got raped. She should have called the police like a civilized individual in a civilized country. Clearly the woman is at fault for her rape since she didn't do that until after she was raped.

 

I don't see the connection between what Zak0 wrote and where you went... :/



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 14:59



If you want to take that route, I guess it is the woman's fault she got raped. She should have called the police like a civilized individual in a civilized country. Clearly the woman is at fault for her rape since she didn't do that until after she was raped.

 

...No. I have no problem with people carrying guns in an attempt to defend themselves, what I do have a problem with is gun nuts implying this couldn't possibly have happened if she was carrying a gun, like they do with every crime. A gun might have made the situation better, it might have made it worse, nobody knows, I was simply offering a countering story of what could have happened.



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 15:03

...No. I have no problem with people carrying guns in an attempt to defend themselves, what I do have a problem with is gun nuts implying this couldn't possibly have happened if she was carrying a gun. A gun might have made the situation better, it might have made it worse, nobody knows.

 You haven't got a problem with someone carrying a gun for protection but you said that they would of took it away from her... I have never heard a single case where someone took the gun away from the person defending themselves with it.  The overwhelming majority of gun carry permit holders carry concealed and open carry is often frowned upon, those teens would of never knew she had a gun until she pulled it out.  



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 15:12

You may consider them different but its not the same as the differences between complete and separate countries. You have the same President for one and basically follow the same rules/laws/culture not the same in Europe.

 

 

Again, not true. California does not have the same rules/laws/culture as Oklahoma. In that case, the difference is greater than the different between Germany and Italy. The only thing they have in common is that they are on the same land mass. In Europe, you have the EU laws and the country laws. In the US, you have the federal laws and the state laws. It is the same thing. There are many cases where you go 5 miles over a border and everything changes. They are not the same society and culture.

 

Foreigner's wouldn't know any better because few go to anywhere but the big cities where the airports are. If that has been your experience of the US, you have absolutely no clue how different parts of US society really is.



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 15:16



 You haven't got a problem with someone carrying a gun for protection but you said that they would of took it away from her... I have never heard a single case where someone took the gun away from the person defending themselves with it.  The overwhelming majority of gun carry permit holders carry concealed and open carry is often frowned upon, those teens would of never knew she had a gun until she pulled it out.  

 

Errr, no. I didn't say they would have definitely taken it from her, I simply said it's an alternative possibility. If you're knocked to the ground by surprise and suddenly 10-12 people are grabbing at you, concealed or not, there's a possibility they'll feel the gun before you get a chance to pull it out. 

 

The point is, nobody knows if a gun would have helped, or made the situation worse, yet every time you get gun fanatics saying "if they had a gun this would have never happened!", crime happens to people carrying guns too. 



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 15:18

Again, not true. California does not have the same rules/laws/culture as Oklahoma. In that case, the difference is greater than the different between Germany and Italy. The only thing they have in common is that they are on the same land mass. In Europe, you have the EU laws and the country laws. In the US, you have the federal laws and the state laws. It is the same thing. There are many cases where you go 5 miles over a border and everything changes. They are not the same society and culture.

 

Foreigner's wouldn't know any better because few go to anywhere but the big cities where the airports are. If that has been your experience of the US, you have absolutely no clue how different parts of US society really is.

 

I've been to country towns in the US and the cities, you may think its very different but its nowhere near the same as going from Germany to Italy. Or Russia to Spain, or UK to Bulgaria, etc etc.

 

EU Laws? Not all European Countries are members of European Union.



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 15:19

Errr, no. I didn't say they would have definitely taken it from her, I simply said it's an alternative possibility. If you're knocked to the ground by surprise and suddenly 10-12 people are grabbing at you, concealed or not, there's a possibility they'll feel the gun before you get a chance to pull it out. 

 

The point is, nobody knows if a gun would have helped, or made the situation worse, yet every time you get gun fanatics saying "if they had a gun this would have never happened!", crime happens to gun owners too. 

It would of gave her a chance. BTW I like how you try to throw insults in with your comments,it makes me not want to take you seriously. 



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 15:28

It would of gave her a chance. BTW I like how you try to throw insults in with your comments,it makes me not want to take you seriously. 

 

It also would have given her a chance to get shot/killed, nobody knows, anything could have happened. Again, the point is it's up to the person if they want to carry a gun to ***attempt*** to protect themselves (or potentially make the situation worse). Like I said, I have no problem with people carrying guns, only with people who make the assumption crimes definitely wouldn't have happened if the victim was carrying a gun.



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 15:30

It also would have given her a chance to get shot/killed, nobody knows, anything could have happened. Again, the point is it's up to the person if they want to carry a gun to ***attempt*** to protect themselves (or potentially make the situation worse). Like I said, I have no problem with people carrying guns, only with people who claim guns are the solution to everything and if everyone was carrying one no crimes would ever happen.

 I would rather have a gun than not, id definitely take my chances rather than not have one.





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