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#106 Raze

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 23:39

I posted a short and pointed answer, and you chose to take offence to it. Your problem, not mine.

 

As I stated I wasn't making any comparison between the EU and US.  I asked a simple question and you decided you couldn't answer it, except with a rude response.




#107 Javik

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 23:42

How in the hell was my response rude? The statement that I don't care was a simple statement of fact.



#108 ILikeTobacco

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 23:52

Precisely. Point is, if the death penalty advocates were right the US would have a much lower rate of murder than the EU does, in reality arguing over *how* much higher is just semantics, the point is the evidence is the same, the death penalty does not act as a suitable deterrent to criminals.

Not all advocates argue that. Please don't use a blanket statement like that. I am all for the death penalty, not for overall crime reduction, but to keep the worst of the worst of the street and not be forced to pay for their comfy living till they are 100.



#109 Javik

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 01:07

Not all advocates argue that. Please don't use a blanket statement like that. I am all for the death penalty, not for overall crime reduction, but to keep the worst of the worst of the street and not be forced to pay for their comfy living till they are 100.

 

Given that the death penalty costs more than lifetime incarceration due to the redundancy the system needs to avoid miscarriages of justice, your argument fails just as hard. Killing criminals costs you more than imprisoning them.



#110 Growled

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 02:19

Given that the death penalty costs more than lifetime incarceration due to the redundancy the system needs to avoid miscarriages of justice, your argument fails just as hard. Killing criminals costs you more than imprisoning them.

Maybe it's time we overhauled the system.



#111 theyarecomingforyou

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 02:25

Maybe it's time we overhauled the system.

Or abolish it like civilised countries.



#112 ILikeTobacco

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 02:38

Given that the death penalty costs more than lifetime incarceration due to the redundancy the system needs to avoid miscarriages of justice, your argument fails just as hard. Killing criminals costs you more than imprisoning them.

It fails hard up until it doesn't. The current system is broken and I never claimed it was perfect either. It is horrifically mismanaged right now. That in no way effects my decision to support the death penalty. Should it be fixed to be cheaper, yes. Should it go away, no. So my argument doesn't fail hard because my argument never implied that the current system is perfect. Don't put words in my mouth and then argue them.



#113 Gerowen

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 02:50

Mankind is even more depraved and it won't get better any time soon:

 

Man 'raped a baby leaving her hospitalized and requiring surgery'

  • Anthony Dean Blackwell was wanted on charges of raping a child he was babysitting on June 9 in Pulaski, Tennessee
  • Less than 24 hours after being added to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigations Top Ten Most Wanted list, Blackwell was apprehended outside a bar in Huntsville, Alabama

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A father was yesterday sentenced to two life terms in prison for causing the death of his 15-week-old daughter while he was orally raping her.

 

Steven Deuman Jr, 26, of Traverse City, Michigan, was convicted of first-degree murder and aggravated sexual assault after jurors - who were subjected to disturbing testimony and photos - took less than an hour to convict him in September.

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I'm not even religious, but I'm starting to think nowadays that we need to take some hints from the old testament and sharia law.  We just had a "Hatfield and Mccoy" festival in Pikeville about 30 minutes from here to try and bring in some tourism, and some guy in his early 20's was arrested for stealing over $10,000 worth of stuff out of parked cars.  I guarantee that if he was afraid of having one of his hands cut off, he would have thought twice about taking something that didn't belong to him.  We are way too pacifist nowadays, and the criminals have noticed.  The fear of retribution is ebbing away because they know that even if they commit something horrible enough to receive the death penalty, they'll probably be able to get out of it by appealing it over and over and over for the 10 years they will spend sitting on death row and soaking up tax dollars while they wait for their execution.  If we started chopping off body parts and hanging people for doing some of the stupid ###### they're doing nowadays, I guarantee the genetic defects of this world would straighten up quick fast and in a hurry.



#114 lexp

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 02:53

What black community is doing to prevent crimes like this one among their members?



#115 FloatingFatMan

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 04:41

Are any EU members planning on leaving now or in the near future?


The UK is considering it unless the EU makes some changes.

#116 Raze

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 15:26

The UK is considering it unless the EU makes some changes.

 

Thank you, FFM.



#117 Javik

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 15:28

Maybe it's time we overhauled the system.

 

The redundancy is there for a good reason, to prevent miscarriages of justice. It's funny that for some the desire for revenge is so strong that they would actually be happy to do away with due process.



#118 DocM

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 15:58

I'm fully in support of bypassing state appeals and going straight to the Federal courts; Federal Appeals and SCOTUS. The case will end up there anyhow, so you're reducing the cost and expediting the execution if it passes muster.