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It does not matter.  Any....ANY usage on the disk could make it fail.  There are hard drives that die one month after purchase, and there are hard drives that have lasted decades.  Even if they are used in PCs.  It does not matter.  A console is no different, no matter how little the disk IO is.

So you're telling me if one device has a higher disk io than the other they both have the same percentage to fail? Ok then.

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So you're telling me if one device has a higher disk io than the other they both have the same percentage to fail? Ok then.

 

Then explain to me how one hard drive in a PC can only last one month, and another can last 10 years?  IT DOES NOT MATTER.  There is no guarantee lifespan of hard drives.

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Then explain to me how one hard drive in a PC can only last one month, and another can last 10 years?  IT DOES NOT MATTER.  There is no guarantee lifespan of hard drives.

Welcome to probability, you must be new.

 

HDD failure rates decrease every year.

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As stated several times in this thread you don't have to re-download nor reinstall any of your games when swapping drives, though.

 

Has this been confirmed because I seriously doubt this.  I have heard that while you play your disk games they copy the contents in the background on the part that you are not playing to the HDD.

Also, how do you not have to download digital downloads?

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Welcome to probability, you must be new.

 

HDD failure rates decrease every year.

 

That was exactly my point.  A hard drive in a console is no more reliable than a hard drive in a PC.  Unless there is some amazing technology only available to consoles that makes their specific set of hard drives more reliable than any other hard drive on the market.  A hard drive in one PC is no more reliable than a hard drive in another PC.  Hard drives can start failing any time.  There is no guarantee lifespan.

 

If you take a look at the Google Hard Drive Study, the failure rate actually decreases after about three months then it increases again a year or two later.

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From the X1 silicon talks it looked like it was backed up by a 8GB flash section so that might actually keep HD usage and heat down.  So it might, in some circumstances.

A hard drive in a console is no more reliable than a hard drive in a PC.

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It is. Read the OP.

 

 

I don't understand. We've known for some time you can't install games to an ext. HDD on the PS4.

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I don't understand. We've known for some time you can't install games to an ext. HDD on the PS4.

 

 

I had not seen that confirmed before.  I know it was something I had been wondering about.  All I knew was that the ps3 didn't allow for it.  The 360 got the option a while back. 

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I am sure I read it before because I looked it up to confirm in for another post. Trying to search on Google only shows the latest results but some posts refer to an earlier time when we knew this.

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I had not seen that confirmed before.  I know it was something I had been wondering about.  All I knew was that the ps3 didn't allow for it.  The 360 got the option a while back. 

Same with me. I had only read about swappable internal drive.

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I am sure I read it before because I looked it up to confirm in for another post. Trying to search on Google only shows the latest results but some posts refer to an earlier time when we knew this.

 

 

I'm not saying your wrong.  It could have been confirmed elsewhere, but its the first time I had seen it come from Sony directly. 

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Because most prefer an internal hard drive.

 

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If they really wanted to it could be patched in later anyway just like 360 did. Much better position to be in (Y)

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:yes:

 

If they really wanted to it could be patched in later anyway just like 360 did. Much better position to be in (Y)

 

 

Yeah they could, they could have patched the ps3, but never have. 

 

I also don't agree that most prefer to swap out an internal drive.  I agree that most of US prefer that, i.e. the internet community, but most general users are much more use to using external hard drives for additional storage.

 

Compare it to pcs, where you can also replace a hard drive.  Most users still like using an external hard drive. Its not about which is the best, for them its convenience. 

 

This isn't a huge deal at the end of the day, users will adapt to whatever option there is.  Just for me, I'd like to see both console giving us both options.  I want the option to replace the internal drive and I want the option to use a larger external.

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Yeah they could, they could have patched the ps3, but never have. 

 

I also don't agree that most prefer to swap out an internal drive.  I agree that most of US prefer that, i.e. the internet community, but most general users are much more use to using external hard drives for additional storage.

 

Compare it to pcs, where you can also replace a hard drive.  Most users still like using an external hard drive. Its not about which is the best, for them its convenience. 

 

This isn't a huge deal at the end of the day, users will adapt to whatever option there is.  Just for me, I'd like to see both console giving us both options.  I want the option to replace the internal drive and I want the option to use a larger external.

 

Having lots of EXTs, including those that require their own PSUs plus paying more vs internal HDD prices is not convenient :P

 

I honestly don't know a single PC user who would rather have an EXT over an INT. The only reason I'd want EXT is for portability. Even then I'd hack one together myself rather than pay ridiculous prices :yes:

 

The PS3 started out with a lot of EXT storage options but they removed them for cost cutting. I'm guessing they seen the stats and saw people only cared about the internal HDD.

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Having lots of EXTs, including those that require their own PSUs plus paying more vs internal HDD prices is not convenient :p

 

I honestly don't know a single PC user who would rather have an EXT over an INT. The only reason I'd want EXT is for portability. Even then I'd hack one together myself rather than pay ridiculous prices :yes:

 

The PS3 started out with a lot of EXT storage options but they removed them for cost cutting. I'm guessing they seen the stats and saw people only cared about the internal HDD.

 

 

Huh?  I'm not sure why you think external drives are not popular, but I think your missing the data on this one.  External hard drives sell very very well. Most people wont replace their own drives, they just don't want to.  So they either have it done, or they go out and buy a single external.  You make it sound like they have this box full of externals laying around :laugh:

 

Its not about having lots of externals, its about have the choice of mobility for your data and being able to access more storage than the internal option provides. You mentioned cost, but if you actually followed pricing, you can actually get external drives that cost less than the internal counter parts, especially in the 3TB+ range.  Plus, as you said, you can put your own together if you find an internal for cheaper.  That's what I want to do. I'm wondering why you want to argue the convenience value of external devices, it seems kind of obvious to me.

 

If you had read the rest of this thread, you would see my points laid out on the advantages, so feel free to read those. Basically, having the option to offload everything to an external drive has many advantages, it also has disadvantages.  Its a nice option to have, I'm not sure why you want to downplay it. This isn't about internal vs external, so I'm not attacking the use of an internal drive.

 

As far as the ps3 supporting external features, I think its a fairly lame excuse to blame it on 'cost cutting'.  I know they cut out things to cut costs, but how was supporting game installs on an external drive costing Sony money?  Yeah, I don't think it was a cost cutting measure.  Plus, if your going to assume that Sony looked at 'stats' and saw people only used an internal, then why don't we assume MS looked at the 'stats' and saw that people only cared about using an external.  My point is, arguing over what these guys were thinking is a bit silly when we have nothing to back it up.

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Huh?  I'm not sure why you think external drives are not popular, but I think your missing the data on this one.  External hard drives sell very very well. Most people wont replace their own drives, they just don't want to.  So they either have it done, or they go out and buy a single external.  You make it sound like they have this box full of externals laying around :laugh:

 

I'm not disputing the popularity of EXTs or how well they sell. Neither point really has anything to do with what we're talking about either. And stupidly enough, some people do buy endless EXTs.

 

Its not about having lots of externals, its about have the choice of mobility for your data and being able to access more storage than the internal option provides. You mentioned cost, but if you actually followed pricing, you can actually get external drives that cost less than the internal counter parts, especially in the 3TB+ range.  Plus, as you said, you can put your own together if you find an internal for cheaper.  That's what I want to do. I'm wondering why you want to argue the convenience value of external devices, it seems kind of obvious to me.

 

Believe me, I follow costs lol. Not to blow my own trumpet but I don't know a better deal hunter :P INTs are cheaper without a doubt when it comes to comparing GB for GB. Again, I'm not saying EXTs aren't convenient , of course they are, that's the whole point of them. I'm saying a lot more people would prefer a larger INT or option to swap the INT.

 

If you had read the rest of this thread, you would see my points laid out on the advantages, so feel free to read those. Basically, having the option to offload everything to an external drive has many advantages, it also has disadvantages.  Its a nice option to have, I'm not sure why you want to downplay it. This isn't about internal vs external, so I'm not attacking the use of an internal drive.

 

As far as the ps3 supporting external features, I think its a fairly lame excuse to blame it on 'cost cutting'.  I know they cut out things to cut costs, but how was supporting game installs on an external drive costing Sony money?  Yeah, I don't think it was a cost cutting measure.  Plus, if your going to assume that Sony looked at 'stats' and saw people only used an internal, then why don't we assume MS looked at the 'stats' and saw that people only cared about using an external.  My point is, arguing over what these guys were thinking is a bit silly when we have nothing to back it up.

 

Put it this way, it's possible to play games from an EXT on the PS3 so it's not a technical limitation. The card reader and BC hardware were removed for cost cutting reasons that much is fact. Why they never provided a user method for EXT game installs? Who knows but Sony.

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I'm not disputing the popularity of EXTs or how well they sell. Neither point really has anything to do with what we're talking about either. And stupidly enough, some people do buy endless EXTs.

 

-You seemed to imply that people don't want to use external drives, but as you say, that is incorrect.  So why is it so wrong to wish that devices had full support for them.  Supporting something a lot of people already own is a nice feature.

 

Believe me, I follow costs lol. Not to blow my own trumpet but I don't know a better deal hunter :p INTs are cheaper without a doubt when it comes to comparing GB for GB. Again, I'm not saying EXTs aren't convenient , of course they are, that's the whole point of them. I'm saying a lot more people would prefer a larger INT or option to swap the INT.

 

-If you follow costs, then I'm sure your aware of the regular deals on external hard drive in the 2tb+ range that are cheaper then equivalent internal drives.  That's not always the case, but I see the same sales so often, that its closer to normal then most might think.  Either way, the point is cost is not always in the favor of the bare drive. 

 

-As far as swapping the internal, I agree people like myself or you prefer to swap out the internal drive, but even we have to accept certain limitation.  For instance, with a  PS4 or X1, we are limited to 2.5" drives.  that means we are limited in the capacity possible.  If I want to use a large 3tb+ drive to store everything, that's only an option if I use an external.  Again its about options.

 

 

Put it this way, it's possible to play games from an EXT on the PS3 so it's not a technical limitation. The card reader and BC hardware were removed for cost cutting reasons that much is fact. Why they never provided a user method for EXT game installs? Who knows but Sony.

 

-Yeah, but you were clearly trying to say Sony did not add that support due to cost reasons. I just don't see how that was a cost like the bc hardware was.  Personally, I just think Sony didn't think it was an important feature. They chose not to make the effort of making it work.  Anyone that is zero interest in using an external will be fine with that, anyone with interest will be disappointed. 

 

 

 

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-Yeah, but you were clearly trying to say Sony did not add that support due to cost reasons.

 

No I didn't?  I said they removed the card reader and BC hardware for cost reasons. Sony are the only one's who know why they didn't offer the functionality.

 

Maybe the PS3 jailbreak was enough to scare them off ever including it in fear of it being cracked again. All we know is that games run fine (unofficially) from EXT drives and Sony allows retail releases to be downloaded from PSN. All of the functionality is there so I doubt it's a cost reason. Also, they've never allowed you to install retail discs to the INT HDD either, even though out of 3 consoles it was the one which would have benefited most from it. IIRC the PS3 is capable of storing all the same media types the 360 can apart from game data on EXT drive. I wouldn't be surprised if piracy was the reason it was never added. I can understand why too when every 360 DLC, XBLA and GonD makes it online.

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No I didn't?  I said they removed the card reader and BC hardware for cost reasons. Sony are the only one's who know why they didn't offer the functionality.

 

Maybe the PS3 jailbreak was enough to scare them off ever including it in fear of it being cracked again. All we know is that games run fine (unofficially) from EXT drives and Sony allows retail releases to be downloaded from PSN. All of the functionality is there so I doubt it's a cost reason. Also, they've never allowed you to install retail discs to the INT HDD either, even though out of 3 consoles it was the one which would have benefited most from it. IIRC the PS3 is capable of storing all the same media types the 360 can apart from game data on EXT drive. I wouldn't be surprised if piracy was the reason it was never added. I can understand why too when every DLC, XBLA and GonD makes it online.

 

 

So then the obvious reason why they would not allow it on the PS4 is also piracy fears.

 

With the X1, an external will have all the functionality of an internal.  They are working on the software functions as we speak.  I think they said it would be available soon after launch or at launch if they can.

 

I just wish Sony was more willing to open it up.  That's all.  I'll happily replace the internal drive when I need to, but it would have been nice to make use an external I already have.  With the X1, I plan to use that external once I fill up the internal drive.  I also wish MS gave us the option to replace the internal drive.  Basically, I want MS' external solution paired with Sony's internal solution :laugh:

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So then the obvious reason why they would not allow it on the PS4 is also piracy fears.

 

With the X1, an external will have all the functionality of an internal.  They are working on the software functions as we speak.  I think they said it would be available soon after launch or at launch if they can.

 

I just wish Sony was more willing to open it up.  That's all.  I'll happily replace the internal drive when I need to, but it would have been nice to make use an external I already have.  With the X1, I plan to use that external once I fill up the internal drive.  I also wish MS gave us the option to replace the internal drive.  Basically, I want MS' external solution paired with Sony's internal solution :laugh:

 

Maybe? It's just a guess, I don't work for them so don't take my word as gospel :P Microsoft didn't remove the feature even with the flaws in the security, so maybe it's not a big issue to them. If it's not a big issue to MS then I don't see why it would be to Sony.

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Maybe? It's just a guess, I don't work for them so don't take my word as gospel :p Microsoft didn't remove the feature even with the flaws in the security, so maybe it's not a big issue to them. If it's not a big issue to MS then I don't see why it would be to Sony.

 

 

Then maybe Sony is just some evil corporation that doesn't care what users want :laugh:

 

Or maybe its just one of this things that a company doesn't consider when they have to do everything they have to do in order to create a console platform.  Features fall through the cracks and sometimes there is no evil motive behind it. 

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