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Why exactly are we fracking, again?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uti2niW2BRA

 

Makes me sick our government allows this to continue. I have nothing to back this up but I believe anyway that this is what is causing some of these "sinkhole" incidents.

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These fracking policies are starting to get on my fracking nerves :p

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Awesome. I didn't hear about that.

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Why are we fracking? It's all Starbuck's fault!

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frack this, and that. Its all the fracking time. all i fracking hear. Damn you Galatica! 

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It causes earthquakes too http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2013/09/new_earthquake_in_groningen.php in a country that typically never suffers from the phenomenen. :/

It's just amazing to me that man-made earthquakes are considered "acceptable and manageable". I have no words for how unacceptable that is to me.

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Which is great, and all, but there was 0 interest in fracking in Vermont anyway. 

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Which is great, and all, but there was 0 interest in fracking in Vermont anyway. 

 

They've set a precedent. 

 

"Big things have small beginnings."

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It's like Michigan's Mackinac Island bragging about not having traffic jams - but OTOH cars are not allowed there :rofl:

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They've set a precedent. 

 

"Big things have small beginnings."

 

Doesn't work like that.

They won't ban it anywhere that money is involved.

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Well, I was going to link to a similar ban in France at first, but that's a foreign country so the Vermont story was more appropriate.

 

It just goes to show that it's a serious issue and it's real contrary to what the proponents of fracking have been saying.

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Seriously - the miniquakes from fracking are 3-4 or less in intensity. Even places like Michigan have those all the time, so how do you filter the frack-quakes from the normal ones? Hell. We probably suffer more irritation from a 747 taking off at Metro Airport.

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In the UK every form of energy development is hated by the NIMBYs, WE DON'T WANT , wind , solar , coal, gas, fracking, nuke, hydro ... but we want cheap energy !

 

 

Everyone needs and uses energy, if you dont want fracking , cut down on your energy use, produce your own or support renewable energy, its up to you.

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Fracking is simply a continuation of the failed energy policies that have wreaked on the environment and created unsustainable economic gains that will only hurt us in the long term. It is incredibly concerning to see people like David Cameron endorsing such a policy, especially after it has sabotaged green energy and undermined the solar industry by illegally cutting off the subsidies. The support of fracking is based on "baseless economics".

 

People need to stand up against fracking. Thankfully many in the UK realise the harm and are willing to stand up against it.

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Seriously - the miniquakes from fracking are 3-4 or less in intensity. Even places like Michigan have those all the time, so how do you filter the frack-quakes from the normal ones? Hell. We probably suffer more irritation from a 747 taking off at Metro Airport.

I have a problem discounting fracking. We're now so desperate for energy we're twisting our perception of what's acceptable. Man-made earthquakes? What happens when we get more desperate as will eventually happen? More fracking? Bigger fracking? Bigger earthquakes? What about the unknown long term effects of the "chemicals" they pump into the ground? None of it sounds good.

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I have a problem discounting fracking. We're now so desperate for energy we're twisting our perception of what's acceptable. Man-made earthquakes? What happens when we get more desperate as will eventually happen? More fracking? Bigger fracking? Bigger earthquakes? What about the unknown long term effects of the "chemicals" they pump into the ground? None of it sounds good.

 

All economic growth can not continue we are on a finite world. The world needs to recycle more and consume less. It will never happen as the world focuses on that magical GDP value.

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Seriously - the miniquakes from fracking are 3-4 or less in intensity.

The point is that we shouldn't be using fracking when we know that it's bad for the environment (greenhouse gases), harmful to human heath (contaminated drinking water), has unintended consequences (mini-quakes) and its economic benefits are disputed by leading economists. It's a dead-end technology that we know is bad yet still it is pursued.

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All economic growth can not continue we are on a finite world. The world needs to recycle more and consume less. It will never happen as the world focuses on that magical GDP value.

We're doomed anyway, so who cares? Is that your argument? The "finite world" problem could easily be solved by space exploration or some new physics someday.

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Only socialists and commies like renewable energy :p

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We pursue solar power knowing its manufacture causes heavy metal pollution, and wind power knowing windmill production causes at least as much carbon and carbon nanoparticle release as each one saves (counting repairs, maintenance and disposal.)

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We pursue solar power knowing its manufacture causes heavy metal pollution, and wind power knowing windmill production causes at least as much carbon and carbon nanoparticle release as each one saves (counting repairs, maintenance and disposal.)

 

Still better then oil/coal/gas. 

 

it will get better when they support CCS but that is a long way off.

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We pursue solar power knowing its manufacture causes heavy metal pollution, and wind power knowing windmill production causes at least as much carbon and carbon nanoparticle release as each one saves (counting repairs, maintenance and disposal.)

 

Turbine or Wind power isn't viable, it creates small amounts of energy in comparison to various other ways.

 

But how does Solar create heavy metal pollution? I think Nuclear and Solar power is the future maybe even skip out Nuclear if solar panels conversion percentages got much better.

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Turbine or Wind power isn't viable, it creates small amounts of energy in comparison to various other ways.

 

But how does Solar create heavy metal pollution? I think Nuclear and Solar power is the future maybe even skip out Nuclear if solar panels conversion percentages got much better.

 

Wind power produces more power then solar as it has a higher capacity factor , wind is around 25-30% offshore wind is 30-45% , solar is 10-20%. Also to just say I want to make 5MW of power, it requires 1 large turbine, where as it will solar will 10 hectares.

 

There is a lot of waste produced when you make a solar panel , as most of the panels are made in china, they most likely dump the waste in rivers. Its china after all.

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