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You're local police and the federal government are not the same entity nor do they operate under the same rules.

I'm going to assume you aren't from the United States? As this isn't true for anything that falls under the scope of SCOTUS...

 

I will leave this here for you.

 

 

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.

 

The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution

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Only if it happens and stays in the privacy of your own home. The second it leaves your home, in this case you send it over the internet unto public lines of communication, you lose that. That's what the courts have backed up time and time again.

 

Incorrect, encrypted communications even out in the public lines of communication are NOT subject to free-for-all examination, it is wholly illegal for any entity to decrypt encrypted data of any type without a warrant.

By your logic cell phone and telephone conversations are subject to warrantless search and seizure, evidence illegally collected without a warrant is constantly thrown out by the courts.

 

One of the main problems I have with this is that it is my data, and it is being copied and viewed by an entity that I did not give permission to do so, while nothing I do online is Illegal to the best of my knowledge, I cannot be 100% sure, no one can because there are so many laws on the books in the US where I've read that even the average law abiding citizen breaks laws at least 3-4 times a day without knowing it. 

 

Another problem I have is that its another series of databases, that I did not choose to store my data on, accessed by people that I do not know, I have no idea how well they are securing my data, or even if they are at all. With the number of attacks hourly on government computers, how long is it before the bad guys have everything the government collected too? These are legitimate security concerns when I decide to give my information to someone, they are even MORE relevant when my information is being TAKEN, even with the best of intentions (which they are not)

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You can't lose something you never had. This is the problem with the majority of people. They actually think that if they do something in public, they still have the right to privacy. When you send it over the internet, OVER PUBLIC LINES OF COMMUNICATION, you have lost that right to privacy regarding that.

 

Even if this were true regarding encrypted communication (it is not) they are actively breaking security measures on data stored at banks or other institutions that people HAVE NEVER sent information over the internet to. They are allowing themselves access to databases not owned by them.

Your argument fails horribly when a massive amount of the information obtained is gained from private databases not sent over public lines of communication.

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Incorrect, encrypted communications even out in the public lines of communication are NOT subject to free-for-all examination, it is wholly illegal for any entity to decrypt encrypted data of any type without a warrant.

By your logic cell phone and telephone conversations are subject to warrantless search and seizure, evidence illegally collected without a warrant is constantly thrown out by the courts.

 

One of the main problems I have with this is that it is my data, and it is being copied and viewed by an entity that I did not give permission to do so, while nothing I do online is Illegal to the best of my knowledge, I cannot be 100% sure, no one can because there are so many laws on the books in the US where I've read that even the average law abiding citizen breaks laws at least 3-4 times a day without knowing it. 

 

Another problem I have is that its another series of databases, that I did not choose to store my data on, accessed by people that I do not know, I have no idea how well they are securing my data, or even if they are at all. With the number of attacks hourly on government computers, how long is it before the bad guys have everything the government collected too? These are legitimate security concerns when I decide to give my information to someone, they are even MORE relevant when my information is being TAKEN, even with the best of intentions (which they are not)

Never read your TOS for your service provider have you? You might want to. You'd be surprised what you give them the right to store. Your ISP has the right to read it and because they willingly give up whatever the government asks, so does the government.

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I'm going to assume you aren't from the United States? As this isn't true for anything that falls under the scope of SCOTUS...

 

I will leave this here for you.

 

 

The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution

You are right. I'm not from the USA. I pay federal and state tax in the USA just for ###### and giggles.

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Even if this were true regarding encrypted communication (it is not) they are actively breaking security measures on data stored at banks or other institutions that people HAVE NEVER sent information over the internet to. They are allowing themselves access to databases not owned by them.

Your argument fails horribly when a massive amount of the information obtained is gained from private databases not sent over public lines of communication.

So are you under the impression that your local branch for your bank has a server in the back room and that is the only place were they have your account information? If so, you are horribly misguided in that regard... well, unless its a private local bank obviously.

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since NSA is obsesed to spend U.S taxpayer money to cracking encryptions,

its highly recommended for anyone who have anti-US sentiment to always encrypt their digital communication, with encryption method that uses more than 4096-bits key, and doing this often, even if those communications content were actualy harmless to the U.S.

 

Therefore you and your groups might make a dent to U.S economic. :huh:

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Never read your TOS for your service provider have you? You might want to. You'd be surprised what you give them the right to store.

 

All the time, Ive dropped ISP's because of over broad TOS..

None of them have indicated that they will be performing illegal acts of breaking encryption on my encrypted data.

 

Again, regardless of this, the ISP is not the NSA, my agreement is with the ISP, if THEY store my data, the NSA STILL NEEDS A WARRANT TO OBTAIN IT. ISPs are not public entities, nor are their databases, this is something that you seem to be glossing over and ignoring rather conveniently because doing so supports your argument.

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since NSA is obsesed to spend U.S taxpayer money to cracking encryptions,

its highly recommended for anyone who have anti-US sentiment to always encrypt their digital communication, with encryption method that uses more than 4096-bits key, and doing this often, even if those communications content were actualy harmless to the U.S.

 

Therefore you and your groups might make a dent to U.S economic. :huh:

 

Simply the fact that the NSA is doing this should be enough to economically damage the US, I cant think of any tech company WANTING to do business with a US company now.

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All the time, Ive dropped ISP's because of over broad TOS..

None of them have indicated that they will be performing illegal acts of breaking encryption on my encrypted data.

 

Again, regardless of this, the ISP is not the NSA, my agreement is with the ISP, if THEY store my data, the NSA STILL NEEDS A WARRANT TO OBTAIN IT. ISPs are not public entities, nor are their databases, this is something that you seem to be glossing over and ignoring rather conveniently because doing so supports your argument.

That is not true about warrants. Warrants are only required IF the person being searched doesn't willingly give up the information and because most ISPs are government sponsored, either through massive tax breaks or other means, they rarely say no. The only time they say no is when it's a public thing and people are watching.

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ILikeTobacco, on 06 Sept 2013 - 15:06, said:

So now you are claiming the NSA is stealing my bank account info and emptying my accounts? Got proof? I monitor my bank daily and since they have that info, they must be stealing it right? No changes to my bank account yet. I think I am good.

So that's where all my wages go! I thought I spent it frivolously in the first 2 weeks of the month! :p 

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You are right. I'm not from the USA. I pay federal and state tax in the USA just for ****s and giggles.

Looks like serious discussion isn't happening here. I bow out.

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What the NSA is doing is wrong and immoral. It's as bad as what any hacker that's ever cracked into something they weren't suppose to.

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I don't have anything to hide, however if something is meant to be private, the NSA or anyone else should not be reading it, unless they have a reason! If they have can read our emails, why cant we read their emails? Who knows what kind of information they are reading. I heard the companies make encryption just weak enough for the NSA to get through it.  The NSA should have a significant reduction of their powers to these unlawful and unjust reading of emails.  Better yet the NSA should be dismantled and totally dissolved. What they are capable of doing is very scary.

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What the hell are you talking about. Who says anyone will be missing money

 

If that happens, it's because you were targeted for a reason. And money will be the least of your concerns. Pretty sure they don<t go after money anyway.

 

Stop acting like an idiot.

Sensing this is a child behind the computer screen if not...a mindset of one.

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The National Security Agency, working with the British government, has secretly been unraveling encryption technology that billions of Internet users rely upon to keep their electronic messages and confidential data safe from prying eyes, according to published reports based on internal U.S. government documents.

But I thought that if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide?

It's still hard to fathom how some are complacent with this. Not only is it a violation of individual privacy and unconstitutional, but it is also potentially dangerous.

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