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#1 gameboy1977

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 16:04

Google argues for right to continue scanning Gmail

 

I was surprised to see that Micorsoft called Google as Scroogle.




#2 Geoffrey B.

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 16:07

i just do not understand why everyone makes such a big deal out of this. and i do not see the law suite going very far. You know when you sign up for Gmail how they are going to target ads to you and what they do to enable that. They tell you up front they are going to do it and you have to agree to it before it happens.



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 16:12

 

I was surprised to see that Micorsoft called Google as Scroogle.

 

MS has called Google Scroogle for a while now...

 

Anyway, its amazing how many people do not understand the process Google uses to scan email for advertising.  No, a person does not physically  read your email and no, not every word/line is cataloged and kept stored somewhere.  And every email provider has access to your emails.

 

The real problem people have is ads. I understand that but you can opt out. Scans are done on email all the time to search/block malware.  This is nothing new.

 

If people are so paranoid and want true 100 percent privacy, then stay off the internet or be careful on what you post online.



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 16:19

all email is scanned by all email providers, how do you suppose filters work? Ever wonder how your "spam" goes to the "spam" folder?



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 16:22

Anyway, its amazing how many people do not understand the process Google uses to scan email for advertising. 

 

Is it?  At what point in the sign-up process do they tell you (in plain English in no more than a sentence or two) that they scan all your emails and then use that information to sell advertising? Can you opt out of the scanning/advertising during the sign-up process and avoid having your emails scanned?  How are people supposed to know the answers to these questions if Google aren't honest and up front about them?



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 16:25

Is it?  At what point in the sign-up process do they tell you (in plain English in no more than a sentence or two) that they scan all your emails and then use that information to sell advertising? Can you opt out of the scanning/advertising during the sign-up process and avoid having your emails scanned?  How are people supposed to know the answers to these questions if Google aren't honest and up front about them?

 

Google released info on their policy change before it even went in to effect. And it is very well stated how you can opt out of seeing ads.  People would rather act out of fear, or what others feed them, then to take the time to actually know what is happening.



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 16:26

Is it?  At what point in the sign-up process do they tell you (in plain English in no more than a sentence or two) that they scan all your emails and then use that information to sell advertising? Can you opt out of the scanning/advertising during the sign-up process and avoid having your emails scanned?  How are people supposed to know the answers to these questions if Google aren't honest and up front about them?

All mail providers do this, though. If Google starts broadcasting it everywhere, people might stop using the service in favour of another, who is doing the same thing but just didn't put notifications everywhere about it--and that's not really fair.

 

I think it's like many other things--the majority do not care, and the information is easily enough found by someone who does care and wants to look it up.



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 16:32

Google released info on their policy change before it even went in to effect. And it is very well stated how you can opt out of seeing ads.  People would rather act out of fear, or what others feed them, then to take the time to actually know what is happening.

 

So the answer to my questions is no, they're not up-front about what they're doing and they don't offer an obvious way out before you use their "service".

 

All mail providers do this, though. If Google starts broadcasting it everywhere, people might stop using the service in favour of another, who is doing the same thing but just didn't put notifications everywhere about it--and that's not really fair.

 

I think it's like many other things--the majority do not care, and the information is easily enough found by someone who does care and wants to look it up.

 

No, all email providers don't scan emails for the purposes of selling/sharing the information they glean with third parties?  The majority are ignorant (wilfully or otherwise) and Google are happy to keep it that way.



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 16:34

Wow amazing all the experts here on how Google scans emails. Oh wait. I just "googled"  How does Google scan Gmail. ? and got this:

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http://gawker.com/5800868/how-google-spies-on-your-gmail-account-and-how-to-stop-it


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Posted 06 September 2013 - 16:34

All mail providers do this, though.

 

People are just ###### that Google, a well know AD company who makes most their money from ADs, is serving them more ads.  They ignore the fact that they can opt out of interest based ads and the ads in email as well.  (I see very little ads, as much as I see in Outlook) Instead of switching to a different service, they sue and complain.  No one is forcing anyone to use GMAIL.  You dont like it, use one of the many other alternatives available.



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 16:37

So the answer to my questions is no, they're not up-front about what they're doing and they don't offer an obvious way out before you use their "service".

 

So releasing details on what they were going to do before they did it is not up front?  And how long does it take to opt out after you sign up...a few minutes.  And I highly doubt anyone would be getting a on of emails minutes after  creating a new account.

 

Just people afraid of the unknown and just plain ignorant for not researching a service before you agree to it.  You wouldn't purchase a car, computer, house, or anything else without making sure you know the details.  And if you don't research and get a bad experience, who is to blame...you are.

 

You dont like it?  Switch to Outlook if it makes you feel better.



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 16:38

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 16:42

Is it?  At what point in the sign-up process do they tell you (in plain English in no more than a sentence or two) that they scan all your emails and then use that information to sell advertising?

 

 

This is what gave it away for me:

 

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 16:59

No, all email providers don't scan emails for the purposes of selling/sharing the information they glean with third parties?  The majority are ignorant (wilfully or otherwise) and Google are happy to keep it that way.

 

Google quite obviously doesn't "sell/share the information they glean" because that would mean third parties could target the ads themselves and/or sell that service to their own customers.

 

But then again some people are ignorant (wilfully or otherwise) and continue spreading misinformation about what Google does with their services.



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 17:15

i just do not understand why everyone makes such a big deal out of this. and i do not see the law suite going very far. You know when you sign up for Gmail how they are going to target ads to you and what they do to enable that. They tell you up front they are going to do it and you have to agree to it before it happens.


You know google is scanning your mail. Ask 100 random people on the street, and you'll be lucky to run into 1 or 2 techies who do. Unless you purposely do it outside som geeky pc parts shop :p