gameboy1977 Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Google argues for right to continue scanning Gmail I was surprised to see that Micorsoft called Google as Scroogle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleNeutrino Veteran Posted September 6, 2013 Veteran Share Posted September 6, 2013 i just do not understand why everyone makes such a big deal out of this. and i do not see the law suite going very far. You know when you sign up for Gmail how they are going to target ads to you and what they do to enable that. They tell you up front they are going to do it and you have to agree to it before it happens. ozgeek 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techbeck Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 I was surprised to see that Micorsoft called Google as Scroogle. MS has called Google Scroogle for a while now... Anyway, its amazing how many people do not understand the process Google uses to scan email for advertising. No, a person does not physically read your email and no, not every word/line is cataloged and kept stored somewhere. And every email provider has access to your emails. The real problem people have is ads. I understand that but you can opt out. Scans are done on email all the time to search/block malware. This is nothing new. If people are so paranoid and want true 100 percent privacy, then stay off the internet or be careful on what you post online. Charisma and gameboy1977 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippleman Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 all email is scanned by all email providers, how do you suppose filters work? Ever wonder how your "spam" goes to the "spam" folder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakem1 Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Anyway, its amazing how many people do not understand the process Google uses to scan email for advertising. Is it? At what point in the sign-up process do they tell you (in plain English in no more than a sentence or two) that they scan all your emails and then use that information to sell advertising? Can you opt out of the scanning/advertising during the sign-up process and avoid having your emails scanned? How are people supposed to know the answers to these questions if Google aren't honest and up front about them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techbeck Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Is it? At what point in the sign-up process do they tell you (in plain English in no more than a sentence or two) that they scan all your emails and then use that information to sell advertising? Can you opt out of the scanning/advertising during the sign-up process and avoid having your emails scanned? How are people supposed to know the answers to these questions if Google aren't honest and up front about them? Google released info on their policy change before it even went in to effect. And it is very well stated how you can opt out of seeing ads. People would rather act out of fear, or what others feed them, then to take the time to actually know what is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charisma Veteran Posted September 6, 2013 Veteran Share Posted September 6, 2013 Is it? At what point in the sign-up process do they tell you (in plain English in no more than a sentence or two) that they scan all your emails and then use that information to sell advertising? Can you opt out of the scanning/advertising during the sign-up process and avoid having your emails scanned? How are people supposed to know the answers to these questions if Google aren't honest and up front about them? All mail providers do this, though. If Google starts broadcasting it everywhere, people might stop using the service in favour of another, who is doing the same thing but just didn't put notifications everywhere about it--and that's not really fair. I think it's like many other things--the majority do not care, and the information is easily enough found by someone who does care and wants to look it up. gameboy1977 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakem1 Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Google released info on their policy change before it even went in to effect. And it is very well stated how you can opt out of seeing ads. People would rather act out of fear, or what others feed them, then to take the time to actually know what is happening. So the answer to my questions is no, they're not up-front about what they're doing and they don't offer an obvious way out before you use their "service". All mail providers do this, though. If Google starts broadcasting it everywhere, people might stop using the service in favour of another, who is doing the same thing but just didn't put notifications everywhere about it--and that's not really fair. I think it's like many other things--the majority do not care, and the information is easily enough found by someone who does care and wants to look it up. No, all email providers don't scan emails for the purposes of selling/sharing the information they glean with third parties? The majority are ignorant (wilfully or otherwise) and Google are happy to keep it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techbeck Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 All mail providers do this, though. People are just ###### that Google, a well know AD company who makes most their money from ADs, is serving them more ads. They ignore the fact that they can opt out of interest based ads and the ads in email as well. (I see very little ads, as much as I see in Outlook) Instead of switching to a different service, they sue and complain. No one is forcing anyone to use GMAIL. You dont like it, use one of the many other alternatives available. Growled and Charisma 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cropcircles Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Wow amazing all the experts here on how Google scans emails. Oh wait. I just "googled" How does Google scan Gmail. ? and got this: http://gawker.com/5800868/how-google-spies-on-your-gmail-account-and-how-to-stop-it gameboy1977 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techbeck Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 So the answer to my questions is no, they're not up-front about what they're doing and they don't offer an obvious way out before you use their "service". So releasing details on what they were going to do before they did it is not up front? And how long does it take to opt out after you sign up...a few minutes. And I highly doubt anyone would be getting a on of emails minutes after creating a new account. Just people afraid of the unknown and just plain ignorant for not researching a service before you agree to it. You wouldn't purchase a car, computer, house, or anything else without making sure you know the details. And if you don't research and get a bad experience, who is to blame...you are. You dont like it? Switch to Outlook if it makes you feel better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lord Method Man Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Is it? At what point in the sign-up process do they tell you (in plain English in no more than a sentence or two) that they scan all your emails and then use that information to sell advertising? This is what gave it away for me: gameboy1977 and Shadrack 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ichi Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 No, all email providers don't scan emails for the purposes of selling/sharing the information they glean with third parties? The majority are ignorant (wilfully or otherwise) and Google are happy to keep it that way. Google quite obviously doesn't "sell/share the information they glean" because that would mean third parties could target the ads themselves and/or sell that service to their own customers. But then again some people are ignorant (wilfully or otherwise) and continue spreading misinformation about what Google does with their services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 i just do not understand why everyone makes such a big deal out of this. and i do not see the law suite going very far. You know when you sign up for Gmail how they are going to target ads to you and what they do to enable that. They tell you up front they are going to do it and you have to agree to it before it happens. You know google is scanning your mail. Ask 100 random people on the street, and you'll be lucky to run into 1 or 2 techies who do. Unless you purposely do it outside som geeky pc parts shop :p gameboy1977 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ichi Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Wow amazing all the experts here on how Google scans emails. Oh wait. I just "googled" How does Google scan Gmail. ? and got this: http://gawker.com/5800868/how-google-spies-on-your-gmail-account-and-how-to-stop-it http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/05/12/facebook-busted-in-clumsy-smear-attempt-on-google.html?cid=topic:mostrecent1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted September 7, 2013 Member Share Posted September 7, 2013 Since they all do it I don't see the big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techbeck Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 You know google is scanning your mail. Ask 100 random people on the street, and you'll be lucky to run into 1 or 2 techies who do. Unless you purposely do it outside som geeky pc parts shop :p Ask 100 random people anything. Doesnt matter. People do not know a lot of things and are only know what they are interested in. The only ones making a big deal about things are those who dont understand, listen to the fear others drive forward, and do not take the time to do their own research and/or look for viable alternatives. Hell, if I listened and believed everything the media or random people spout out, I would never use a MS product, Google product, or anything else again. Instead, I would be living in a shack someplace in the middle of no where cut off from everyone. The_Decryptor and gameboy1977 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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