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#31 +Karl L.

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 19:46

Agreed, this decision seemed par for the course for an upstream project, most wouldn't want to accept distro-specific patches.

 

I agree as well. No distro-specific patches seems like a very reasonable position. Section 3.3 of the Debian New Maintainer's Guide explicitly recommends this approach to Debian package maintainers. In the interest of being good members of the open-source ecosystem I'm sure most other distros have a similar policy.

 

Now you have a series of patches.

  1. Upstream bug fix: debian/patches/fix-gentoo-target.patch

  2. Debian specific packaging modification: debian/patches/install.patch

Whenever you make changes that are not specific to the Debian package such as debian/patches/fix-gentoo-target.patch, be sure to send them to the upstream maintainer so they can be included in the next version of the program and be useful to everyone else. Also remember to avoid making your fixes specific to Debian or Linux - or even Unix! Make them portable. This will make your fixes much easier to apply.




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Posted 11 September 2013 - 22:01

I agree as well. No distro-specific patches seems like a very reasonable position. 

 

I agree as well. if Ubuntu wants a patch, they should be the ones to maintain it. 



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Posted 11 September 2013 - 22:07

Why would you even use Ubuntu? So many superior alternatives out here for you to use, it's becoming like MS was during the XP days, bloated arrogant and complacent all at the same time

 

I love the Ubuntu base but I don't care for other bits, like Unity. Linux is Linux, so Ubuntu can be as slim or as bloated as you want it to be, and you can use whatever desktop you want. I love the ease of use with Ubuntu compared with other distros and I love the available software and the documentation. I can find out how to do almost anything and any piece of software to do it. 



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Posted 11 September 2013 - 22:18

IMO, you can do that exact same thing, getting apps that work,  in any distro, just that more of it in Ubuntu is easier to get at.

 

I know Orangekiller and myself uses Debian, and we use mostly terminal or synaptics, not a software center.



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Posted 12 September 2013 - 05:00

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Wayland was a collaborative effort from the upstream developers of various projects, even if they weren't all working on wayland directly. This is why wayland has been in development for so long, much of the work needed to be done outside of wayland. Because mir swooped in at a later date when much of this work was already done, canonical is seen as 'being faster' which is not really true.
 
And the reasoning behind mir is dubious to begin with, none of the technical arguments they originally listed held any water. Its also dubious how mir came to be: Canonical cited these aforementioned 'technical reasons', all of which were quite weak, and some basically FUD against wayland (and canonical even took down this page at a later date), and prior to developing mir in secret did canonical ever go to any upstream devs about their concerns? no. Did they ever contribute any code to wayland? no. They just developed mir in secret based on some bull**** reasons.
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Yeah, the guys working on Wayland aren't the same guys writing the Wayland backend for GTK or Qt, they're separate groups, but with Mir you have the same guys (or company) writing both, so they can code it to much more aggressive timelines (You might have a team working purely on the Mir backend for GTK, while the Wayland backend is being developed along side general GTK work, etc.)

Also, wasn't one of the Canonical claims about Wayland along the lines of "Wayland doesn't have an input mechanism"? That always struck me as amazingly silly, since Canonical would have to write one for Mir anyway.

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 16:06

Also, wasn't one of the Canonical claims about Wayland along the lines of "Wayland doesn't have an input mechanism"? That always struck me as amazingly silly, since Canonical would have to write one for Mir anyway.

 

The whole thing with Mir is an re-invention of the wheel to me. However, if nothing else comes from it, Canonical has lit a fire under the Wayland guys, which might end up being good for us all.



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Posted 12 September 2013 - 19:59

The whole thing with Mir is an re-invention of the wheel to me. However, if nothing else comes from it, Canonical has lit a fire under the Wayland guys, which might end up being good for us all.

It could also make the whole process of switching away from X take even longer do to unnecessary fragmentation.



#38 Javik

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 20:01

As nice as free software is in principle, this is why it's still not taking off in practice. Developers having hissy fits over small features or obsessing over offering a billion competing alternatives instead of working together to promote common goals. Hopefully Valve's attempt to bring gaming to Linux might help things.



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Posted 12 September 2013 - 20:03

It could also make the whole process of switching away from X take even longer do to unnecessary fragmentation.

 

Maybe, but we've dealt with fragmentation before.