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#1 Hum

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 21:41

PARIS –  Outrage is growing in France over the decision to bring voluntary homicide charges against a jeweler who shot and killed an escaping robber, but the country's top security official on Tuesday urged fearful storekeepers to let justice take its course.

The 67-year-old jeweler, Stephan Turk, was confined at home with an electronic bracelet after the shooting last week that left a teenage robber dead in the street outside Turk's jewelry story in the French Riviera city of Nice. An accomplice escaped on a motorbike as the body lay in the street.

In a country where gun violence is rare but armed robbery is increasingly common, the shooting -- and the formal charges of voluntary homicide -- have placed the government in a difficult position.

"Even when faced with the unbearable, we have to let justice prevail," Interior Minister Manuel Valls said Tuesday in Nice, where he was sent by the president a day after a protest by hundreds of Turk's supporters.

Jewelers in southern France say they're being targeted as never before and lack the resources to protect themselves.

The robbery was carried out with a shotgun, he said. It wasn't clear whether Asli and the accomplice both had firearms.

The young man killed, 19-year-old Anthony Asli, had been in trouble as a juvenile and was freed about a month ago from his most recent stint in detention, shedding his own electronic bracelet and moving in with a longtime girlfriend who is pregnant with their child. Asli's family described him as impressionable and immature.

"The family's not condoning the robbery. They're not condoning it and they're not excusing it. It was Anthony's fault. But did he deserve to die in these conditions?" their lawyer, Olivier Castellacci, said Tuesday. "We don't have, in France, the notion of taking justice into your own hands. The family is revolted by that."

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#2 Praetor

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 21:56

hum... wasn't self defense?



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 21:58

CECI, C'EST UNE OUTRAGE!



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 22:08

CECI, C'EST UNE OUTRAGE!

 

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 22:13

hum... wasn't self defense?

If he was already in the street and fleeing from the scene it's not self defense. We had a similar case in belgium where a jeweler shot a thief that was running away in the back. Hard cases to judge, because people still are pretty much eye-for-an-eye kind of beings, but I agree that taking justice in our own hands should be discouraged. I believe he should be convicted of manslaughter without being sent to jail.



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 22:19

I think all who say let justice run its course have no intelligence. What is the chance of justice being served when there are so many crimes? One less criminal on the street is better for society. People feel more bad and passionate about a piece of crap getting killed rather than the innocent trying to run a business. 

 

If you all believe to let justice run its course, let you get an ass beating and don't fight back, let your ###### be stolen, and most definitely don't bother locking your doors when you aren't home.



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 22:49

What if the local Police had shot the robber ....



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 22:52

What if the local Police George Zimmerman had shot the robber ....

 

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 22:55

The robber was running away, and no longer a threat. The charges against the shop owner are justified.



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 00:36

Insurance?

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:05

The robber was running away, and no longer a threat. The charges against the shop owner are justified.

maybe not a threat to the store owner but possibly a threat to someone else.  He's already indicated he would be willing to point a weapon at someone to get what he wants.

 

 

Not saying he was fully justified without knowing the full details but here at least there are some laws that will still afford you some protection from prosecution, if you could articulate that the person is an immediate threat to someone else's life even if they aren't to yours.  Doesn't sound like this kid fired any shots though so might be hard for the store owner to make that argument.



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:12

The robber was running away, and no longer a threat. The charges against the shop owner are justified.

This. I can understand shooting somebody in the heat of the moment, especially if they pose a significant risk to somebody's livelihood, but it is another thing entirely to shoot somebody as they are fleeing the scene. Should they be charged with murder? Of course not, but they shouldn't escape without charge.

 

People have the right to defend themselves up to the point where the assailant is fleeing the scene.



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:16

I don't see what is outrageous.



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:17

hum... wasn't self defense?

 

The robber was escaping so no it probably was not self defense.



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:28

Liberalism at it's best, blame the victim