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Well that's because those people are convinced that 64-bit is only useful for overcoming memory restrictions.

But in reality, it's used for much much more.  People simply need to be better informed.

 

Just to be clear, the performance benefits are not all coming from it being '64bit' although it does help more than people realize.

 

The ARMv8 architecture adds lot of performance features that are in addition to 64bit. 

 

Here is a good read that explains how it works, how it diverges from ARMv7 and previous generations which have more to do with performance.

http://www.realworldtech.com/arm64/

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So we benchmark 64bit vs 32bit as a standard?

 

The iPhone 5s has 64bit CPU, 64bit OS with 64bit browser, of course this looks like this! You would get similar results benching it vs the 32bit iPhone5.

 

Whats a waste of news being pushed around the tech website.

 

64bits has very little to do with the performance, and that is even assuming iOS is fully taking advantage of the 64bit features.

 

The ARMv8 architecture is where the big 'shift' in performance happens, as it breaks from ARMv7 focusing specifically on providing more performance  features.  It basically adds in some CISC functionality, rather than staying true to a pure RISC design.  

 

This progression is why we will be seeing ARMv8 CPUs in the next year that can compete with Intel's entry level x86 CPUs.

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Just to be clear, the performance benefits are not all coming from it being '64bit' although it does help more than people realize.

 

The ARMv8 architecture adds lot of performance features that are in addition to 64bit. 

 

Here is a good read that explains how it works, how it diverges from ARMv7 and previous generations which have more to do with performance.

http://www.realworldtech.com/arm64/

Of course.  The problem is that too many people simply think that going from 32-bit to 64-bit magically results in a performance gain.  The architecture itself does nothing without the hardware and software to utilize the benefits.

64-bit does allow for more hardware potential, but it also has many security benefits, which Apple is making use of in the 5S.

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It's rather impressive that the 5S can come that close to the Z1 which has a monster 2.2GHz quad-core.

The 5S still beat all of them in 2 of the 4 tests.

True, but it doesn't "slaughter" it

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I don't really believe those results, at least for the 3D Mark one. There are several Androids that are faster, including one I'm holding in my hand right now, scoring 16246 vs the 5S's 13757...

 

iPhone 5S

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My device (Snapdragon 800, but that's all I'm telling ya! :p )

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So, slaughters the competition? Nope.  It's faster than some, slower than others. I see no slaughtering going on here. :p

 

Just because your phone beats it doesn't mean it doesn't slaughter the competition... that just means both phones slaughter the competition. 

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True, but it doesn't "slaughter" it

Well that context is in relation to the article in the OP.  The Z1 tests have only come out in the past day or so, so obviously anything said in the past doesn't automatically get applied forward.

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Well that context is in relation to the article in the OP.  The Z1 tests have only come out in the past day or so, so obviously anything said in the past doesn't automatically get applied forward.

There have been test from about a week also showing the Z1 beating the iPhone 5S.. Not real sure what your point is. They are both fast phones. Yes, I said "slaughter" because that is what the OP insinuated. 

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There have been test from about a week also showing the Z1 beating the iPhone 5S.. Not real sure what your point is. They are both fast phones. Yes, I said "slaughter" because that is what the OP insinuated. 

Like I said, the context is from the article in the original post...  The OP isn't insinuating anything.

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I don't recall seeing ever seeing benchmarks majorly different between 32 and 64 bit.  Do you?

 

Many times but you have to have the whole chain to see the difference which just hasn't taken off. Look at 64 bit IE, never took off because of 32 PLUGINS such as flash, java did come with 64 bit java. down the road. But that browser is not default to a normal user it may as be hidden. Not many browsers have 64bit builds yet because of this.

 

A 64bit CPU running a 64bit OS with a 32 bit web browser breaks the chain. This is the right combination of hardware, OS and binares.

 

THAT BEING SAID!

 

We all know that every single company out there has inside control to fudge benchmarks in many apps. This could be some 64 bit with some fudging.

 

Intel, AMD, Nvidia ATI etc have all been caught tweaks benches  :shiftyninja:

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64bits has very little to do with the performance, and that is even assuming iOS is fully taking advantage of the 64bit features.

 

The ARMv8 architecture is where the big 'shift' in performance happens, as it breaks from ARMv7 focusing specifically on providing more performance  features.  It basically adds in some CISC functionality, rather than staying true to a pure RISC design.  

 

This progression is why we will be seeing ARMv8 CPUs in the next year that can compete with Intel's entry level x86 CPUs.

 

 

You are correct, never said 64 bit was a huge increase but was stating what most tech sites seem to not notify people about. When bench marking that is very important to highlight while the main article mentions this most copy paste sites aka engadget, gizmodo LOVE to leave stuff like this out.

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Just because your phone beats it doesn't mean it doesn't slaughter the competition... that just means both phones slaughter the competition. 

 

Several others do, too. Currently, the leader is the Samsung Galaxy S IV LTE-A (MSM8974) with a 3D Mark of 17145, followed closely by the Samsung Galaxy Note III (MSM8974) at 17077.

 

I bet Apple are pleased as punch that their main competition kicks their phone's arse! :p

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  The architecture itself does nothing without the hardware and software to utilize the benefits.

 

 

Correct!

 

iPhone 5s does have all the components - hardware, OS & the browser binary is 64bit.

 

I am a huge Android fan but I must say this was a nice push forward from Apple I am interested to see how many developers outside of Apple start porting or developing apps with 64 bit in mind. Apple is notorious for making thing more known when they invented none of it.

 

For the love of god if there is any technology they can highlight more for mass adoption causing vendors to implement right PLEASE let it be 64bit.

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I don't really believe those results, at least for the 3D Mark one. There are several Androids that are faster, including one I'm holding in my hand right now, scoring 16246 vs the 5S's 13757...

 

iPhone 5S

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My device (Snapdragon 800, but that's all I'm telling ya! :p )

<snip>

 

So, slaughters the competition? Nope.  It's faster than some, slower than others. I see no slaughtering going on here. :p

Please let me have your job! :D

 

Edit: GAH! My phone only got a 11153 :( Still far from a slaughtering since my phone is already "old" now.

Edit 2: Make that 12276  :shifty:

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Several others do, too. Currently, the leader is the Samsung Galaxy S IV LTE-A (MSM8974) with a 3D Mark of 17145, followed closely by the Samsung Galaxy Note III (MSM8974) at 17077.

I bet Apple are pleased as punch that their main competition kicks their phone's arse! :p

9million devices sold in a weekend, I doubt Apple gives a tiny rat's ass :p

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I don't really believe those results, at least for the 3D Mark one. There are several Androids that are faster, including one I'm holding in my hand right now, scoring 16246 vs the 5S's 13757...

iPhone 5S

2624a735-623d-4d49-9948-acdcdaed2450_zps

My device (Snapdragon 800, but that's all I'm telling ya! :p )

0bee900f-3600-40ba-b009-490ef7b9f71f_zps

So, slaughters the competition? Nope. It's faster than some, slower than others. I see no slaughtering going on here. :p

Blatantly a nexus 5 btw ;)

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After clearing the cache and cookies data on both the handsets, we performed a mixture of browser load tests, comparing how fast each phone loaded websites of varying content richness. Also in the video above, you

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Blatantly a nexus 5 btw ;)

On 4.2.2?

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Blatantly a nexus 5 btw ;)

 

Not even close. :p

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After clearing the cache and cookies data on both the handsets, we performed a mixture of browser load tests, comparing how fast each phone loaded websites of varying content richness. Also in the video above, you

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Considering they did those tests on the stock browser, I don't trust them at all. That thing is notoriously junk.

 

Also, I don't find web speed tests a particularly good measure of the device's speed, just the browsers.

 

Finally someone who gets it. Browser tests..what the...

 

Someone should build something close to "Sandra" for mobiles that actually tests the full ability of the cores not some webpage loading times and JS loading times.

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Considering they did those tests on the stock browser, I don't trust them at all. That thing is notoriously junk.

 

Also, I don't find web speed tests a particularly good measure of the device's speed, just the browsers.

 

 

Finally someone who gets it. Browser tests..what the...

 

Someone should build something close to "Sandra" for mobiles that actually tests the full ability of the cores not some webpage loading times and JS loading times.

Oh yeah I completely agree,  my point was how useless the benchmarks were considering the S4 actually beat the 5s in some scenarios, despite of it "slaughtering" bench marks.

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I haven't read through most of the thread, but wasn't the Geekbench numbers a bit fudged because of the dedicated crypto acceleration on the 5S?

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Not even close. :p

 

I knew what phone you had by the battery icon. I'm a little ashamed  :rofl:

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I knew what phone you had by the battery icon. I'm a little ashamed  :rofl:

 

PM me, let's see if you're right. ;)

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