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#1 uMadRabbit

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 04:44

I'm still a bit confused on all the Nokia deal lately.

 

So they sold off the devices dept. which actually means they don't have anything to build phones now right? (When the deal closes) If I remember correctly it was a 10 year deal? But some are saying that Nokia can start building phones in 2016 again? With what? How? This seriously is messing with my head. Could someone please explain it as easy as possible? Pretty please  :laugh:

 

Also when they start building phones again are they still tied down to WP thanks to this deal?




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Posted 27 September 2013 - 08:52

They still have enterprise (carrier) networking as well as maps:

 

 

Nokia will focus on three core business units; its Here mapping service (which Microsoft will license for four years under the deal), its infrastructure division Nokia Solutions and Networks (NSN), and on developing and licensing its "advanced technologies".



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 10:01

Yeah I know NSN and software business will still belong to them but what's with the 2016 date about getting to build new phones?



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 10:06

I'm still a bit confused on all the Nokia deal lately.

 

So they sold off the devices dept. which actually means they don't have anything to build phones now right? (When the deal closes) If I remember correctly it was a 10 year deal? But some are saying that Nokia can start building phones in 2016 again? With what? How? This seriously is messing with my head. Could someone please explain it as easy as possible? Pretty please  :laugh:

 

Also when they start building phones again are they still tied down to WP thanks to this deal?

The ten year deal only applies to Microsoft being able to use both Lumia and Asha trademarked names on any new phones they manufacture as well as the Nokia branded apps used in the phones. The rest is bought and owned by Microsoft (including technologies, patents etc relating to the services and devices division).



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 10:08

I understood patents will still be Nokia's not Microsofts?

 

 

 

Nokia's CTO (Chief Technology Office) organization and patent portfoliowill remain within the Nokia Group.


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Posted 27 September 2013 - 10:08

Nokia itself are looking to acquire Alcatel/Lucent mobile division (French company) which could mean that what's left of Nokia could start building Android based phones again, if they didn't agree to stay out of the mobile business for ten years.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 10:09

I understood patents will still be Nokia's not Microsofts?

Oh right, then that is part of the Nokia deal then, free use of those patents for ten years, as well as the other things I said.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 10:31

Nokia itself are looking to acquire Alcatel/Lucent mobile division (French company) which could mean that what's left of Nokia could start building Android based phones again, if they didn't agree to stay out of the mobile business for ten years.

 

Oh, didn't know about the Alcatel thing. Hopefully they will get back into the mobile business sooner than later, before their name gets irrelevant.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 10:51

Oh, didn't know about the Alcatel thing. Hopefully they will get back into the mobile business sooner than later, before their name gets irrelevant.

You could always buy them and derail the Microsoft deal?



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 10:57

Well I'm not mad at them for selling out nor am I glad about it. Also what I meant by that sentence was that if the 2016 date is true that they can start selling phones again then 2 years is a looooong time in mobile business, by then when they come out with a new phone a lot of people have already forgotten about them and some will probably just say "Remember Nokia? They have a new phone" or something similar.

 

Alcatel deal would be good for them since they would get a hold of a new manufacturing plant and would at least get something going.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 10:59

They weren't significant for maybe 2 or 3 years after the iPhone, so two years will be OK.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 11:08

At least till now they released something. 2 years of nothing isn't really the same.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 12:54

The ten year deal only applies to Microsoft being able to use both Lumia and Asha trademarked names on any new phones they manufacture as well as the Nokia branded apps used in the phones. The rest is bought and owned by Microsoft (including technologies, patents etc relating to the services and devices division).

 

 

MS have the ownership of lumia and asha brands, 10 years license for using nokia brand on feature phones + 30000 patents