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#61 Growled

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 16:23

Interesting idea, but I see two flaws with that concept on a "full" desktop OS. One is the obvious, if malware takes that scanner out or tricks the scanner into thinking a file is good then it's rendered useless. 

 

That's why the scanner doesn't need to be local but in the cloud, or at least somewhere that nothing can ever touch it.

 

 

For me the bigger problem would be performance though.. ChromeOS is basically a browser and is quite lightweight, so there wouldn't be that much to scan. Waiting on a complete system scan for a full blown desktop operating system is going to have a huge hit on startup time, regardless of which OS it is. I'd be willing to bet something that like would get disabled by the majority of users just because of the inconvenience of waiting for a few minutes for their system to boot versus a few seconds.

 

That's why I say people chose convenience over security. You only boot up once a day, so what if it takes a  few minutes?




#62 Max Norris

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 16:34

That's why the scanner doesn't need to be local but in the cloud, or at least somewhere that nothing can ever touch it.

Brings its own overhead, never mind problems stemming from connectivity issues. If I take my laptop out of range from my network, how's that going to work? (Plus there's the usual "NSA backdoor!!" nonsense if somebody wants to go there, I don't but /shrug on here I'm not surprised by anything anymore, that's not directed at you.)
 

That's why I say people chose convenience over security. You only boot up once a day, so what if it takes a  few minutes?

Well that's purely personal preference of course. Me, I'll take my 15ish second boot time, and haven't had to deal with an oops as far as security goes in ~10 years, never mind it doesn't do jack for people who don't power down their system at all except maybe that once-per-month update. Out of about 15 desktop/server systems here only two ever actually get a full restart/powerdown as they don't have battery backups attached to them, barring a Windows/*Nix kernel update of course. Relying on protection that only runs once a month isn't terribly secure, especially for the malware that doesn't start up until after the system boots anyway, not all of them are rootkits.

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 16:38

I suppose admitting you've got a problem is the first step down the road to fixing that problem.

 

Maybe they'll devote a few more resources towards developing MSE now?



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 16:47

...., and haven't had to deal with an oops as far as security goes in ~10 years...

 

Same here. I rarely have any problems here at work on Windows. It's been years since we've gotten any viruses and we send and receive a ton of email every day and use a browser constantly. I've ran Windows 7 at home until recently and I've never had to install any anti-virus on it. That is what leads me to believe that a lot of this anti-virus scare is just that, a scare tactic.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 16:49

If they couldn't write a secure OS, what makes you think they can plug the holes any better?

 

It's like asking an engineer why their building fell down. If they knew, they wouldn't have let it happen.

 

Also, I'm inclined to think there is some pressure to be had there >.>

Stop talking out of your ass. x86 systems by design allows any arbitrary code and deep system level access.

 

Can you write a virus for Windows RT?

 

MSE was one of the best antivirus when they put effort on it. Recently they are not focusing on it; that's why it has been going downhill. I think it is a bad decision on their part.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 17:00

Did anyone really read the article? It mentions that the reason they've slipped on the tests, and why they're near the bottom is that they have shifted focus from the tests to real world threats and up and coming threats. Its says they spent a large amount of time and money on trying to pass those av tests to "look" good, while the software might actually not be that good in a real life situation.

 

So does make you think that some of the AV companies at the top may just actually be focusing on passing the tests, and dont give a crap about it working well in a normal day to day situation



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 17:58

I don't think MSFT ever intended MSE to replace, not even COMPETE with 3rd party AV. If we recall the dilemmas Microsoft was facing: bad publicity revolving around seemingly less secure OS than competitors and antitrust lawsuits.

 

MSE has been a very successful product for MSFT by reducing bad publicity and I think it has to stay marginal to save them from any further antitrust lawsuits.



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Posted 08 October 2013 - 03:36

Stop talking out of your ass. x86 systems by design allows any arbitrary code and deep system level access.

 

Can you write a virus for Windows RT?

 

MSE was one of the best antivirus when they put effort on it. Recently they are not focusing on it; that's why it has been going downhill. I think it is a bad decision on their part.

Yes you can you ignoramus ****wit.

 

You know how we know that? You can root the device, arbitrary code can then be executed.

 

More to the point, this has absolutely nothing to do with the instruction set the chip executes, otherwise Android would be malware free as well. Have I mentioned that there is Malware for ia86 chips also?

 

You are the worst kind of poster. You are simultaneously wrong and being an *******. Even better than that, you took something out of context to attack. My point was that there's a benefit to third parties being in control of the anti-malware work.

 

If Microsoft could have blocked it (or had thought to), they would have done it in their operating system. It's likely they will in future versions, but getting the people who wrote the OS to look for problems with the operating system, as I said, like asking an engineer why their building fell down. They wouldn't have built it that way on purpose.

 

Next time you want to take a swipe, at least be right.
 



#69 javajolt

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Posted 26 November 2013 - 23:48

Kingsoft Antivirus is good, but does not work on Windows 8.1 :(



#70 LUTZIFER

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Posted 26 November 2013 - 23:57

I'm not to concerned. In all the years I've been using computers, I've gotten 2 minor viruses which I've manually removed myself.
And I've been dealing with warez and such since 1995, and porn sites.
Although I in a porn sites aren't the culprits for viruses, many people think that's how you get them.
I feel very safe with MSE and Malwarebytes Pro, and my own brain. ;)

#71 Geoffrey B.

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 00:01

never had a problem but it never hurts to add more, after reading the initial report i installed Avast essentials again.



#72 Javik

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 00:04

MSE/Defender is crap (and they still haven't fixed the bug that causes slowdowns in folders with a lot of EXE's after about 5 years), but it certainly beats having no antivirus at all, a lot of users are still plenty stupid and it's a good thing to have it in Windows out of the box. Of course I usually install Avast for anyone the moment they ask for my help but I can't help everyone :p





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