crazy people Italian schoolboys taught not to kill women

[webeagle12]

Teaching boys not to hurt or kill their girlfriends is now part of the curriculum in schools in the northern city of Turin.

 

The move is part of an initiative to combat the rising number of women being killed by men in Italy.

 

In June, Italy?s biggest trade union, the CGIL, recorded 81 victims in 2013 alone. And in 2012, the number of victims stood at 124, according to Italy?s national statistics agency ISTAT.

Schoolboys are being taught how to treat women with respect through texts and role playing, while girls are shown how to stand their ground, according to a recent report in La Repubblica. 

They are also shown reports on the hundreds of feminicide and abuse cases. 

 

"If you have the right perception of difference, if you recognise the role of the opposite sex, then you also know that this person is not inferior to you," Umberto Magnoni, the director of training for the city of Turin told La Repubblica.

 

Campaigns are also underway across the country to tackle the issue, including one by underwear firm Yamayay, which launched ?Ferma il bastardo? (?Stop the Bastard?), a social media and press campaign that encourages femicide victims to report their attackers.

 

Meanwhile, in August the Italian government passed a new anti-femicide law, which it trumpeted as a ?radical change? in the ?relentless fight against the sad phenomenon of femicide".

Measures include the obligatory arrest of those caught in the act of stalking, or physically abusing victims, and obligatory police investigations once complaints have been lodged.

 

Women will now be kept informed about any legal processes involving their attackers, and violent partners will be evicted from family homes.

 

http://www.thelocal.it/20130926/italian-schoolboys-taught-not-to-kill-women

[siah1214]

What in the hell? 

What century are we in? 

[Buttus]

what?!   i don't get it...  are they taught not to kill their pets or their friends too?  what about family members?

 

did i miss something in the article?  why are they hurting or killing their girlfriends?

[seta-san]

what?!   i don't get it...  are they taught not to kill their pets or their friends too?  what about family members?

 

did i miss something in the article?  why are they hurting or killing their girlfriends?

 

this is all stemming from the feminist "Don't rape" campaign. It's all about not blaming the victim... no matter how much danger she puts herself in.

[seta-san]

 

Measures include the obligatory arrest of those caught in the act of stalking, or physically abusing victims, and obligatory police investigations once complaints have been lodged.

Women will now be kept informed about any legal processes involving their attackers, and violent partners will be evicted from family homes.

 

 

predominent aggressor(always make an arrest of the male no matter who started it) policies all over again

[thomastmc]

What in the hell? 

What century are we in? 

 

The U.S. has a very bad track record on this, maybe worse than Italy (definitely worse in terms of the raw amount of violence towards women).

 

This has never not been a problem, throughout much of the world. It has been ignored for a long time though.

 

 

 

 

• About 2.3 million people are raped or physically assaulted each year by a current or former intimate partner or spouse.^[27]
• 3?4 million women are beaten each year by their husbands, male lovers, or ex-husbands.^[28]
• Physically assaulted women receive an average of 6.9 physical assaults by the same partner per year.^[27]

Violence during pregnancy

The United States was one of the countries identified by a United Nations study with a high rate of domestic violence resulting in death during pregnancy.^{[29][nb 3]}

Domestic violence during a woman's life

• According to The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and The National Institute of Justice, nearly 25% of women experience at least one physical assault during adulthood by a partner.^[27]
• 22% of the women had been subject to domestic violence during some period of their life, according to a United Nationsstudy. Since this population included women who had never been married or partnered, the prevalence of domestic violence may have been greater.^[26]
• According to a report by the United States Department of Justice in 2000, a survey of 16,000 Americans showed 22.1 percent of women and 7.4 percent of men reported being physically assaulted by a current or former spouse, cohabiting partner, boyfriend or girlfriend, or date in their lifetime.^[1]
• 60% of American Indian and Alaska Native women will be physically assaulted in their lifetime.^[27]

Injury

In 1992, domestic violence was the leading cause of injury for women between 15 and 44; more than rapes, muggings, and car accidents combined.^[30]

Rape

1 in 33 men and 1 in 6 women have experienced an attempted or completed rape against a partner. More than one in three American Indian and Alaska Native women will be raped in their lifetimes.^[27][31]

Murder

Women are more likely than men to be murdered by an intimate partner. Of those killed by an intimate partner, about three quarters are female and about a quarter are male. In 1999 in the United States, 1,218 women and 424 men were killed by an intimate partner,^[32] and 1,181 females and 329 males were killed by their intimate partners in 2005.^[33][34]

Dating violence

Main articles: Dating abuse and Teen dating violence

Dating violence is often a precursor to domestic violence. 22% of high school girls and 32% of college women experienced dating violence in a 2000 study. 20.6% of women experienced two or more types of dating violence and 8.3% of women experienced rape, stalking or physical aggression while dating.^[35]

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_the_United_States

 

[Charisma Veteran]

this is all stemming from the feminist "Don't rape" campaign. It's all about not blaming the victim... no matter how much danger she puts herself in.

Yes, it is perfectly logical that women are told not to dress a certain way, go certain places, drink certain things, go anywhere alone at night, etc etc (while men aren't subjected to any of this), but telling men "hey, don't hurt people" is ridiculous. /s

 

In some places (apparently this is one), a woman is "putting herself in danger" just by having the audacity to exist. :P

 

I don't consider myself particularly feminist, but it's well-documented that violent crimes are overwhelmingly committed by men, so it makes sense to address it there in particular. Everyone should have respect for everyone else, race or gender or whatever else not being a factor.

 

 

"If you have the right perception of difference, if you recognise the role of the opposite sex, then you also know that this person is not inferior to you," Umberto Magnoni, the director of training for the city of Turin told La Repubblica.

 

[thomastmc]

this is all stemming from the feminist "Don't rape" campaign. It's all about not blaming the victim... no matter how much danger she puts herself in.

 

Why am I not surprised that you see it that way :)

 

You must also believe that police officers bare part of the blame for being murdered on the job, because they put themselves in that dangerous situation of being a police officer. So what did they expect, right?

[seta-san]

Yes, it is perfectly logical that women are told not to dress a certain way, go certain places, drink certain things, go anywhere alone at night, etc etc (while men aren't subjected to any of this), but telling men "hey, don't hurt people" is ridiculous. /s

 

I don't consider myself particularly feminist, but it's well-documented that violent crimes are overwhelmingly committed by men, so it makes sense to address it there in particular. Everyone should have respect for everyone else, race or gender or whatever else not being a factor.

 

 

it's rediculus because no one thinks rape is a good thing. even rapists after they get caught admit they are sick. Dressing a certain way is like having a giant window into your house where you display all your valuable good and leaving the door unlocked... and then being outraged that your house was broken into. You hold some culpability. Sure you should be able to do all those things like a woman SHOULD be able to dress how she wants and go out and get hammered with no one making sure she gets home alright... But we live in an imperfect world and this attitude will only put more women into danger.

[seta-san]

Why am I not surprised that you see it that way :)

 

You must also believe that police officers bare part of the blame for being murdered on the job, because they put themselves in that dangerous situation of being a police officer. So what did they expect, right?

 

they do. it's part of the job. They accept as part of the job that on any day they would be killed. We pay them to put themselves in danger like that on our behalf and so they get great benefits and pay in return.

[thomastmc]

they do. it's part of the job. They accept as part of the job that on any day they would be killed. We pay them to put themselves in danger like that on our behalf and so they get great benefits and pay in return.

 

Understanding that it might happen, and saying that they're responsible for it happening to them, are two different things.

[Charisma Veteran]

Dressing a certain way is like having a giant window into your house where you display all your valuable good and leaving the door unlocked... and then being outraged that your house was broken into.

No, no, no, just no. Of course people should take reasonable precaution, but you're super wrong, and super victim-blaming.

 

I don't want to go too far off-topic here... But you know what? Let's just chase this tangent for a second, because a lot of people have this perspective, and they're all ****ing wrong. Let's just say that a lady is feeling randy one night. Maybe she does want to go out and find a sex partner. Maybe she is dressing like she wants it, maybe she does want it. BUT... she also has the right to choose who she sleeps with. She's not putting it out there for any guy to just come along and take it, especially not by force, and especially not then blaming her for it. That's complete bull****.

 

If you're advertising something for sale, it doesn't mean you have to sell it to the first person who comes along. You have the choice, you can wait for someone to come along who has something to offer in return that you want, or you can change your mind and not sell to anyone at the end of the day. On the other hand, if you steal something, or rape someone, or hurt someone willingly, you're the one at fault. End of story.

[thomastmc]

Yes, it is perfectly logical that women are told not to dress a certain way, go certain places, drink certain things, go anywhere alone at night, etc etc (while men aren't subjected to any of this), but telling men "hey, don't hurt people" is ridiculous. /s

 

In some places (apparently this is one), a woman is "putting herself in danger" just by having the audacity to exist. :p

 

I don't consider myself particularly feminist, but it's well-documented that violent crimes are overwhelmingly committed by men, so it makes sense to address it there in particular. Everyone should have respect for everyone else, race or gender or whatever else not being a factor.

 

 

I think it's logical, like taking certain precautions in a war zone is logical, but it's a sad commentary on the societies where it's so needed.

 

it's rediculus because no one thinks rape is a good thing. even rapists after they get caught admit they are sick. Dressing a certain way is like having a giant window into your house where you display all your valuable good and leaving the door unlocked... and then being outraged that your house was broken into. You hold some culpability. Sure you should be able to do all those things like a woman SHOULD be able to dress how she wants and go out and get hammered with no one making sure she gets home alright... But we live in an imperfect world and this attitude will only put more women into danger.

 

 

It's been shown that most domestic violence and rape happens in areas where misogyny is very prevalent. Men in these areas feel, and are raised to believe, that women are supposed to answer to men, and that they are inferior. Sex is something that should be given, and if not given, taken.

 

Education, and at least introducing the notion of equality and asking young men to challenge these misogynistic ideas for themselves, is exactly what is needed.

 

Rape culture exists because we don't believe it does.

 

1. Name the real problems: Violent masculinity and victim-blaming. These are the cornerstones of rape culture and they go hand in hand. When an instance of sexual assault makes the news and the first questions the media asks are about the victim?s sobriety, or clothes, or sexuality, we should all be prepared to pivot to ask, instead, what messages the perpetrators received over their lifetime about rape and about ?being a man.

 

2. Re-examine and re-imagine masculinity: Once we name violent masculinity as a root cause of violence against women, we have to ask: Is masculinity inherently violent? How can you be a man/masculine without being violent?  Understand that rape is not a normal or natural masculine urge.

 

http://www.thenation.com/article/172643/ten-things-end-rape-culture#

 

[seta-san]

I think it's logical, like taking certain precautions in a war zone is logical, but it's a sad commentary on the societies where it's so needed.  It's been shown that most domestic violence and rape happens in areas where misogyny is very prevalent. Men in these areas feel, and are raised to believe, that women are supposed to answer to men, and that they are inferior. Sex is something that should be given, and if not given, taken. Education, and at least introducing the notion of equality and asking young men to challenge these misogynistic ideas for themselves, is exactly what is needed.

domestic violence is split 60/40 and women are catching up. Men are the most raped demographic if you include prison rape. With these stats you can see misogyny has nothing to do with it. People who are criminal do criminal things. Did you know that lesbian households have the most DV and gay men the least?

[thomastmc]

Men are the most raped demographic if you include prison rape. With these stats you can see misogyny has nothing to do with it. 

 

You never fail to say something hilariously absurd  :laugh:

[Charisma Veteran]

^He forgets men are the aggressors in that situation, too >.<

 

Of course there are plenty of women out there doing horrible things. And of course there are plenty of normal men out there not being violent. But to say that it isn't mostly a male problem is really, really turning a blind eye to a lot of things.

[Gotenks98]

What about the women who beat on men? Seriously there are some vicious women out there. They will beat the men, then cry rape. The guy ends up getting arrested then raped by some huge dude named "Ass-Taker" while he is in jail.

[thomastmc]

What about the women who beat on men? Seriously there are some vicious women out there. They will beat the men, then cry rape. The guy ends up getting arrested then raped by some huge dude named "Ass-Taker" while he is in jail.

 

It's true that happens, but it's relatively rare compared to the number of times a woman is raped or sexually assaulted and doesn't even report it, usually out of fear of the stigma of being a rape "victim".

 

This is why there are investigations by our (hopefully/typically) competent law enforcement community...

[theyarecomingforyou]

^He forgets men are the aggressors in that situation, too >.<

 

Of course there are plenty of women out there doing horrible things. And of course there are plenty of normal men out there not being violent. But to say that it isn't mostly a male problem is really, really turning a blind eye to a lot of things.

Exactly. As a man I'm appalled at the lack of respect, decency and self-control of many of my gender. Too many people are slaves to their hormones and their emotions and are completely unable or unwilling to rise above them. In fact many even embrace that side of their personality.

[mudslag]

it's rediculus because no one thinks rape is a good thing. even rapists after they get caught admit they are sick. Dressing a certain way is like having a giant window into your house where you display all your valuable good and leaving the door unlocked... and then being outraged that your house was broken into. You hold some culpability. Sure you should be able to do all those things like a woman SHOULD be able to dress how she wants and go out and get hammered with no one making sure she gets home alright... But we live in an imperfect world and this attitude will only put more women into danger.

 

 

 

So then agreeing that rapist are sick, then arguing what a woman wears is really nothing more then an excuse. In all fairness, a rapist who's urges take over aren't going to let some articles of clothing stop then regardless of what someone wears. So either your points are retarded at best. 

[thomastmc]

Exactly. As a man I'm appalled at the lack of respect, decency and self-control of many of my gender. Too many people are slaves to their hormones and their emotions and are completely unable or unwilling to rise above them. In fact many even embrace that side of their personality.

 

What's also appalling is the ignorance.

 

Some people are real life Kenny Powers' or Borat's. You know they'd do the right thing, if they could only understand what that was. And, the fact that they don't understand is tragically comical, but usually more tragic in real life.

[Hum]

Where's the fun in that ? :huh:

[seta-san]

So then agreeing that rapist are sick, then arguing what a woman wears is really nothing more then an excuse. In all fairness, a rapist who's urges take over aren't going to let some articles of clothing stop then regardless of what someone wears. So either your points are retarded at best.

I'm not arguing that how you dress prevents rapes overall. I'm suggesting that you can change the target. Predators go after easy kills.. Not the hardest

[mudslag]

I'm not arguing that how you dress prevents rapes overall. I'm suggesting that you can change the target. Predators go after easy kills.. Not the hardest

 

 

If all women started wearing only jeans, that wouldn't stop a rapist from still trying to rape. A sick person isn't going to feel dismissive over an article of clothing. The simple fact is, the sick person attacking someone else is the one to blame, period. 

[redfish]

So then agreeing that rapist are sick, then arguing what a woman wears is really nothing more then an excuse. In all fairness, a rapist who's urges take over aren't going to let some articles of clothing stop then regardless of what someone wears. So either your points are retarded at best. 

Statistically, most rapes happen because of parties that involve a lot of booze, drugs, and sex. This is where they happen on college campuses and its also where they happen in the military. The military has a huge after-hours drinking culture, its called "work hard, play hard." They're trying to deal with this institutionally by monitoring parties and controlling drinking.

 

So the ideas that either most rapes are caused by a. mentally ill people who are serial rapists targeting women on the street, or b. people who are just regular, innocuous, unsuspecting men who women have no chance of avoiding, are both wrong.

 

Most rapes happen by men that get drunk and are looking for girls to dress skimpy and party and get drunk with them. These men are entirely avoidable.