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Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

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American Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill will be appearing before the British public for the first time in London on the 19th of October to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to Atwill, that the New Testament was written by first-century Roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of Jesus Christ. His presentation will be part of a one-day symposium entitled "Covert Messiah" at Conway Hall in Holborn (full details can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com).

 

Although to many scholars his theory seems outlandish, and is sure to upset some believers, Atwill regards his evidence as conclusive and is confident its acceptance is only a matter of time. "I present my work with some ambivalence, as I do not want to directly cause Christians any harm," he acknowledges, "but this is important for our culture. Alert citizens need to know the truth about our past so we can understand how and why governments create false histories and false gods. They often do it to obtain a social order that is against the best interests of the common people."

 

Atwill asserts that Christianity did not really begin as a religion, but a sophisticated government project, a kind of propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire. "Jewish sects in Palestine at the time, who were waiting for a prophesied warrior Messiah, were a constant source of violent insurrection during the first century," he explains. "When the Romans had exhausted conventional means of quashing rebellion, they switched to psychological warfare. They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system. That's when the 'peaceful' Messiah story was invented. Instead of inspiring warfare, this Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to 'give onto Caesar' and pay their taxes to Rome."

 

Was Jesus based on a real person from history? "The short answer is no," Atwill insists, "in fact he may be the only fictional character in literature whose entire life story can be traced to other sources. Once those sources are all laid bare, there's simply nothing left."

 

Atwill's most intriguing discovery came to him while he was studying "Wars of the Jews" by Josephus [the only surviving first-person historical account of first-century Judea] alongside the New Testament. "I started to notice a sequence of parallels between the two texts," he recounts. "Although it's been recognised by Christian scholars for centuries that the prophesies of Jesus appear to be fulfilled by what Josephus wrote about in the First Jewish-Roman war, I was seeing dozens more. What seems to have eluded many scholars is that the sequence of events and locations of Jesus ministry are more or less the same as the sequence of events and locations of the military campaign of [Emperor] Titus Flavius as described by Josephus. This is clear evidence of a deliberately constructed pattern. The biography of Jesus is actually constructed, tip to stern, on prior stories, but especially on the biography of a Roman Caesar."

 

How could this go unnoticed in the most scrutinised books of all time? "Many of the parallels are conceptual or poetic, so they aren't all immediately obvious. After all, the authors did not want the average believer to see what they were doing, but they did want the alert reader to see it. An educated Roman in the ruling class would probably have recognised the literary game being played." Atwill maintains he can demonstrate that "the Roman Caesars left us a kind of puzzle literature that was meant to be solved by future generations, and the solution to that puzzle is 'We invented Jesus Christ, and we're proud of it.'"

 

Is this the beginning of the end of Christianity? "Probably not," grants Atwill, "but what my work has done is give permission to many of those ready to leave the religion to make a clean break. We've got the evidence now to show exactly where the story of Jesus came from. Although Christianity can be a comfort to some, it can also be very damaging and repressive, an insidious form of mind control that has led to blind acceptance of serfdom, poverty, and war throughout history. To this day, especially in the United States, it is used to create support for war in the Middle East."

 

Atwill encourages skeptics to challenge him at Conway Hall, where after the presentations there is likely to be a lively Q&A session. Joining Mr.Atwill will be fellow scholar Kenneth Humphreys, author of the book "Jesus Never Existed."

Further information can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com.

 

About Joseph Atwill: Joseph Atwill is the author of the best-selling book "Caesar's Messiah" and its upcoming sequel "The Single Strand."

 

http://uk.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11201273.htm

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Fascinating! I look forward to hearing more about this. Not that members of the church would ever believe something like this, even if the evidence was irrefutable. 

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You don't say?

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I predict he will be in a "Car accident" or "Overdose" or "Fall fatally ill" .  Kind of like that one hacker that figured out how to hack pacemakers and such.

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Joseph Atwill is a long time Bible conspiracy theorist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_conspiracy_theory) who has little credibility among not just theologians but archaeologists. A gadfly mainly interested in selling books.

 

Also interested in telling the truth too.  Granted bible believers won't see it that way, because anyone that goes against it is the anti-christ and out to cause harm.   

The bible (in my opinion) holds little if any truth.. guess that makes me a conspiracy theorist too.

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No. Apple invented Jesus Christ.

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What?  You mean to say that the Bible is used to control people and establish a social order?  GTFO!

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Wow, so all it takes is a single person to make a ridiculous claim and y'all buy it hook line and sinker?  You're more gullible than the Christians you claim to be better than. 

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A gadfly mainly interested in selling books.

So just like Roman Catholic Church then? :p

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I hope it proves to be true as i personally believe religion is just made up initially to subdue people into a life of servitude. Theyd be more willing to work to the bone everyday for nothing and getting beaten for looking at a guard in the wrong way if they knew there was a better place to go at the end of it all. Later transitiioned into people who had no clue in where they were going in life or needed to think there was someone watching over them, i suppose though the best part of it was to instill some morales into people as initially it had to be taught then would be taught down the generations literally by word of mouth. These days you shouldnt NEED to be taught how to be a decent human being so i think theres no use for religion anymore, all it does is cause more problems than it solves in my opinion. The kindest people in the world arent god believers because there doing it cus its the right thing to do not becuase its what jesus would want or to get a golden ticket to the now possibly non-existent pearly gates.

 

This could be a major flame thread so have to tread carefully haha

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Joseph Atwill is a long time Bible conspiracy theorist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_conspiracy_theory) who has little credibility among not just theologians but archaeologists. A gadfly mainly interested in selling books.

 

True. I'm not sure we will ever get the "truth" from him.

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Wow, so all it takes is a single person to make a ridiculous claim and y'all buy it hook line and sinker?  You're more gullible than the Christians you claim to be better than. 

No, we already believe that the bible is a bunch of Ficticious stories or fables.  We already believe the claims that it isn't what it seems. Not sure how that makes us gullible if it's what we already feel :/

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Also interested in telling the truth too.  Granted bible believers won't see it that way, because anyone that goes against it is the anti-christ and out to cause harm.   

The bible (in my opinion) holds little if any truth.. guess that makes me a conspiracy theorist too.

The truth according to who?

 

If he has no credibility from both sides, I kind of doubt he is interested in the truth.

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So where's the "ancient confession".  He claims to have found some "parallels", but who confessed to what and where?

The title of this thread seems to be utterly misleading.

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Wow, so all it takes is a single person to make a ridiculous claim and y'all buy it hook line and sinker?  You're more gullible than the Christians you claim to be better than. 

Umm what?  There's a little thing called "proof" that goes a long ways.  Sorry to say, but the bible doesn't have any proof in the slightest that can justify any of its contents.  That compared to all the scientific proof we've uncovered plus the sort of things this guy is presenting.

 

Should I live my life by a story book, or should I live my life by what I can see with my own eyes?  Hmm...

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The vast majority of NT scholars and historians, christians and non-christians alike, agree that Jesus existed: this topic has been beaten to death for the past 200 years at least. This is just an attempt at rehashing old refuted theories to get some money out of the gullible.

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So where's the "ancient confession".  He claims to have found some "parallels", but who confessed to what and where?

The title of this thread seems to be utterly misleading.

Yeah I wondered that too.  I'm guessing those details won't be revealed until his presentation.  Maybe.

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Umm what?  There's a little thing called "proof" that goes a long ways.  Sorry to say, but the bible doesn't have any proof in the slightest that can justify any of its contents.  That compared to all the scientific proof we've uncovered plus the sort of things this guy is presenting.

 

Should I live my life by a story book, or should I live my life by what I can see with my own eyes?  Hmm...

That is no excuse to believe this guy without proof either.

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So where's the "ancient confession".  He claims to have found some "parallels", but who confessed to what and where?

The title of this thread seems to be utterly misleading.

My thoughts exactly.

The Romans clashed with Christians as frequently as the Jews as well, massacring the "heretics", so to say they created them as a form of pacification is downright absurd. Hell Christianity was illegal in throughout the Roman Empire for over 3 centuries.

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That is no excuse to believe this guy without proof either.

Of course not, but he hasn't even presenting his findings.  Nobody is agreeing with him yet.  Even if he ends up being full or crap, we still have centuries worth of scientific data that all but disprove the events in the bible.  As far as we know, there's as much truth in the bible as there is in a Harry Potter book. Personally, I like to see proof of everything I believe in, but I understand that billions of people on Earth don't think that way.

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That is quite a successful government project (which is a contradiction in terms), creating a fictitious person who taught timeless principles, has had millions (possibly billions) of followers since his lifetime and upon whose life our very reckoning of time is based.  That said, my beliefs and, I dare say, most Christians' beliefs are not based on any perceived "chain of custody" of the original documents, but rather on the spiritual benefits of following what it teaches.  Simply put, to anyone who believes the New Testament to be the word of God, such proof is irrelevant. :D

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Even if he ends up being full or crap, we still have centuries worth of scientific data that all but disprove the events in the bible.

Not sure which events you're referring to. The central characters of the New Testament: Jesus, John the Baptist, Herod II, Pontius Pilate, Paul of Tarsus, Simon Peter, all are considered to have existed by antiquity historians and NT scholars. Central events of Jesus' life such as his baptism and crucifixion are well attested by multiple independent sources. Several leading NT scholars today (E.P. Sanders, James D. G. Dunn, Craig S. Keener, N.T. Wright) even see his resurrection from the dead as the best explanation for the historical data surrounding the event (the empty tomb, resurrection appearances, subsequent preaching of the resurrection).

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Maybe a conspiracy?

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