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#16 PGHammer

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Posted 24 December 2013 - 21:06

Atlas V currently relies on Russian engines. Atlas V is not "the US."

While it and Delta IV currently launch NASA and Air Force EELV (evolved expendable launch vehicle) payloads, that is changing with the opening up of NASA and EELV launches to New Space operators like SpaceX and Orbital Sciences. More will follow.

Delta IV, Delta IV Heavy, Falcon 9 v1.1, Falcon Heavy, SLS and the coming Blue Origin medium-heavy lifter do not use Russian engines. Atlas V could also evolve to use domestic engines.

Falcon 9 v1.1 is one launch away from qualifying for EELV launches and is already launching NASA payloads. Falcon Heavy will be able to launch 2+ EELV payloads at once, and 12.2 metric tons (2-3 communications satellites) to Mars.

Orbital Science's Antares depends on the AJ26, a derivative of the old Russian NK-33, but it will be domestically produced. They may even end up buying engines from another New Space outfit. They are already launching NASA ISS resupply flights, and with upgrades to Antares could also do EELV.

Again, Russia has mote to lose by such an action than anyone. Much more.

Exactly - Atlas V is commercial, not military.

 

This will seriously whack Russia right in the currency-exchange; if Russia is serious about hardening the ruble (Russia's currency) you don't reject exports to nations that actually HAVE harder currency.  (Russia may not like that the United States remains the hardest currency issued by any government - while their own ruble is one of the softest - but that is economic reality, and it is primarily because the Russian marketplace is hostile to imports from anywhere; the same has been true of not only the PRC, but even Japan and most of the "Asian tigers".)

 

Russia also has to take India seriously - unlike the PRC, India IS actively looking to commercialize their space venture - do they really want India to take the rest of Russia's lunch?




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Posted 25 December 2013 - 11:33

the United States remains the hardest currency issued by any government

 

Very funny.



#18 DocM

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Posted 25 December 2013 - 16:14

Very funny.


World reserve currencies. Note that the USD is always over 60% of the total.

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#19 bguy_1986

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 17:29

well, when the President slashes NASA's budget, this stuff happens. oh, but lets continue to inflate the budget for the military for the fake war on terror.

 

I'd look at what Nasa is doing with the money they currently get...

http://www.foxnews.c...remost-mission/

*If you don't like the source, Search for another...

 

The sooner the Government uses private companies (chosen on accomplishments and price instead of lobbyists and politics) the better!  But chances are that will never happen...



#20 Civilius

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 16:15

The sooner America break up ties with Putin's Russia space industry  - the better for American space industry. It's funny how American army buy Russian helicopters for 1 billion, than Russia spends this 1 billion on their "russia today" channel to spread Anti-Americanism worldwide. 



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Posted 11 January 2014 - 08:21

The sooner America break up ties with Putin's Russia space industry  - the better for American space industry. It's funny how American army buy Russian helicopters for 1 billion, than Russia spends this 1 billion on their "russia today" channel to spread Anti-Americanism worldwide. 

I agree with sentence one. However the rest is one sided propaganda.



#22 Aheer.R.S.

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 08:25

I'd say it's good competition

 

Just like in the '60's

 

Patriotic or not, no one can deny the advancements made in tech due to opposing countries competing for penis points.

(necessity, the mother of all inventions)



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Posted 11 January 2014 - 08:50

United States currently relies on Russian technology ...

 

Complete rubbish.

 

The US has above top secret technology that makes Russia look like the Flintstones.

 

NASA is really a smoke & mirrors decoy, distracting the public from what really has been developed.



#24 FloatingFatMan

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 15:14

Complete rubbish.

 

The US has above top secret technology that makes Russia look like the Flintstones.

 

NASA is really a smoke & mirrors decoy, distracting the public from what really has been developed.

 

Oh please Hum, show us some of this real technology...



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Posted 11 January 2014 - 15:27

Oh please Hum, show us some of this real technology...

 

I heard Apple is working on some revolutionary space technology.

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#26 DocM

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 16:00

Avro VZ-9 (~1960)

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#27 Civilius

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 18:24

Oh please Hum, show us some of this real technology...

 

What is real for you? What you can touch? Or may be Wikipedia profile is your hard proof of such real technology?



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Posted 11 January 2014 - 19:21

Avro VZ-9 (~1960)
 

 

That? Wasn't that largely Canadian and cancelled as it was besieged with problems the US couldn't fix?



#29 NightScreams

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 21:47

Considering the limited funding to Nasa, why can't all countries just depend on each other for further exploration of space as a benefit to the world? I never cared for the us vs them segregation mentality, everyone can benefit more if the world comes together for everything but of course that would unlikely happen due to cultural differences and everyone hates others that are different for no real reason. I just wish every scientist from every part of the world could all share projects and funding to achieve the goals necessary to advance technology and exploration of space. 



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Posted 11 January 2014 - 21:53

Considering the limited funding to Nasa, why can't all countries just depend on each other for further exploration of space as a benefit to the world? I never cared for the us vs them segregation mentality, everyone can benefit more if the world comes together for everything but of course that would unlikely happen due to cultural differences and everyone hates others that are different for no real reason. I just wish every scientist from every part of the world could all share projects and funding to achieve the goals necessary to advance technology and exploration of space. 

 

Not much happens without competition. The reason that NASA got so much funding back in the day was because of the competition with the Russians. 

 

Their really isnt too much that goes on in the world which isn't driven by competition. Microsoft is a prime example.

 

That being said I wish it wasnt so, and the likes of the UN could be in charge and everybody funded it, but how do you get people to pay?