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#31 goodbytes

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 18:38

Aren't McDonald restaurants a franchise? So isn't it upto the various franchise owners what to pay their workers / charge for food?

Not to mention fast food isn't supposed to be a lifetime job...You have to have made some bad decisions to be working at McDonalds in the same position for 10 years. This gets brought up every single time, there are plenty of people who are working in skilled labor jobs that don't make $15 an hour. Why should people working in unskilled labor get paid that much?

Sure you can say that raising minimum wage for everyone would be the right thing to do, but that won't really work. All that would happen is the cost of everything would rise to match the minimum wage and so individual purchasing power won't really change.

Not all restaurants, there are a few McDonald's close to me and only one of them is a franchise, and franchisee's will have strict guidelines regarding the operating of the brand, which likely includes a minimum wage etc...




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Posted 10 October 2013 - 18:38

You are spreading the truth, but not your opinion. I am just giving on my opinion to the problem. I just disagree with the truth, and want to make some change.
 
I think the first step is to not accept this kind of behavior, even passively, by saying it is McDonald's decision, we KNOW that, we want it to change, we are taking steps, even if it's simply by complaining.

Well, it's always people against the "corporation" and not the more appropriate "capitalism". Capitalism is great but without social policies to keep it in check, you get this. I just wish people would label their frustrations correctly.

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 18:47

They should have wages that INCREASE for people who work there over time, 10 years, and still makes minimum wage, but I bet you she has more responsibilities. I bet you the white collar divisions of McDonald have wage increases and benefits over time.

 

A job is a job, no one is less important than anyone else in the company. They all work for the same goal.

 

 

They do, shes been there 10 years though, and in that time the minimum wage was increased several times, devaluing and overtaking any increment she received in that time. Even when I did my high-school stint in McDonald's, I received 2 increases, then minimum wage went up by more than what my increases were and I was floated to that new level as my base. Again, that's their policy, if you don't like it, you are free to find employment elsewhere, but they are complying with what they legally must do as a business to raise the min wage.

 

While I can agree that people are not more or less important, Positions they occupy certainly are, you cant just fill a manager or director position with any 'ol Joe that applies for a job, but McDonald's (and other fast food) has created a system and training where you certainly CAN replace any Grillman/CSR with anyone off the street easily.



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 18:51

Well, it's always people against the "corporation" and not the more appropriate "capitalism". Capitalism is great but without social policies to keep it in check, you get this. I just wish people would label their frustrations correctly.

People may be pointing their fingers in the wrong direction, but it doesn't make their words any less meaningful.

 

Is it wrong to expect a corporation to step up to these concerns? Does this have to be about legal requirements?

Why is it that merely fighting for these concerns makes them the ones in the wrong?

You are making it seem like they are asking for something unreasonable in an unreasonable manner. When all I see is people asking to be paid what they believe they are worth, especially if they worked there for more than one year without any pay raise.



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 18:59

They do, shes been there 10 years though, and in that time the minimum wage was increased several times, devaluing and overtaking any increment she received in that time. Even when I did my high-school stint in McDonald's, I received 2 increases, then minimum wage went up by more than what my increases were and I was floated to that new level as my base. Again, that's their policy, if you don't like it, you are free to find employment elsewhere, but they are complying with what they legally must do as a business to raise the min wage.

 

While I can agree that people are not more or less important, Positions they occupy certainly are, you cant just fill a manager or director position with any 'ol Joe that applies for a job, but McDonald's (and other fast food) has created a system and training where you certainly CAN replace any Grillman/CSR with anyone off the street easily.

They are legally correct, which is fine, but the employees are legally allowed to protest if they feel they are being mistreated (at the risk of their jobs).



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 19:06

People may be pointing their fingers in the wrong direction, but it doesn't make their words any less meaningful.
 
Is it wrong to expect a corporation to step up to these concerns? Does this have to be about legal requirements?
Why is it that merely fighting for these concerns makes them the ones in the wrong?
You are making it seem like they are asking for something unreasonable in an unreasonable manner. When all I see is people asking to be paid what they believe they are worth, especially if they worked there for more than one year without any pay raise.

People should get educated in our politics first and foremost. It's not fair to McDonald's either to crucify them for something they're not obligated to do.
$15/hr is unreasonable and her reasons for asking for that much are equally laughable. It's also unreasonable to expect a pay raise every year when we all know that the economy can't support it. I've gone maybe 5 years now without a raise and I'm "skilled". I've essentially taken a pay cut since cost of living and inflation have gone up faster than my salary. Everyone is feeling it but it doesn't make it McDonald's fault. Blame your politicians.

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 19:09

If flipping burgers at McDonald gets much pay like other skill jobs, then nobody cares about getting education anymore.  These jobs've never been intended for household income.  Stop blaming others for it, and start to point the finger at yourself !!!



#38 Rigby

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 19:13

She wants $15 an hour to work at McDonald's? That's hilarious, though kind of sad too. She's obviously not very intelligent otherwise she would be trying to make a career out of a fast food job and asking for such an absurd amount of money. McDonald's is a job for high school kids, does she really want to work there the rest of her life?



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 19:16

I usually thought that the people who bring the money in should be compensated monetarily more than those who simply manage it, which should mainly receive greater benefits. They are the face of the company after all.

White collar should be less wages more benefits.
Blue collar should be more wages less benefits.

It currently is white collar has more wages and more benefits.
Blue collar gets screwed.

That's a dumb way of looking at it. People in management don't work less, and the decisions they make have more of an impact on the company. A lot of them have probably also spent thousands to better themselves with education to get where they are. If you tell them that sorry your wages will be cut but you'll get better benefits, they'll quit and find another company. If every job was like that nobody would bother to go to college or put in the effort they need to get to where they want to be.

Blue collar usually gets screwed because the jobs they do are considered "disposable" and unskilled. It's not hard to find someone to be a cashier, a 10 year old could do it easily. It's a lot harder, costs more money, and takes far more effort to find someone to fit into a management role.

The problem with giving McDonalds workers $15 an hour wages, is you're pretty much telling people who work in skilled labor positions and don't make that, that they're job is less valuable than working at McDonalds. Yes they could probably end up making a ton more but imagine if you just got out of high school and were told:

1. You could go to McDonalds and make $15 an hour for the rest of your life, possibly even make it into management and make more (almost all fast food places promote from within because its cheaper).
2. You could go to College, take out student loans that will cripple you for the rest of your life, bust your ass and get a skilled labor job that starts out at $10 an hour. BUT in the future you MAY get promoted and make more money.

#40 Rippleman

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 19:20

although i feel bad for people that can't get ahead, your employer is not your care giver, not your friend, not your bank account. If you don't like your job... quit and find one that suits you better.



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 19:23

People may be pointing their fingers in the wrong direction, but it doesn't make their words any less meaningful.

 

Is it wrong to expect a corporation to step up to these concerns? Does this have to be about legal requirements?

Why is it that merely fighting for these concerns makes them the ones in the wrong?

You are making it seem like they are asking for something unreasonable in an unreasonable manner. When all I see is people asking to be paid what they believe they are worth, especially if they worked there for more than one year without any pay raise.

 

She is asking for something unreasonable, shes asking for double the pay, in an unskilled job, for no reason other than she cant figure out how to raise a family on her income.

Why is it McDonalds "fault"? Perhaps we need to start laying the responsibility where it belongs, at the feet of the individual that refuses to better themselves. Sure sometimes you need to bite the bullet and work at one of these jobs for a time till you can get something better, but we are talking 10 years in McDonald's here, she clearly wasn't looking for anything else, that's not loyalty, that's complacency and laziness. No one wants to take control of their own lives anymore, no one wants to have any personal responsibility, its just easier to blame "the man" and tell them to fix it and make their lives better for nothing in return.

 

They are legally correct, which is fine, but the employees are legally allowed to protest if they feel they are being mistreated (at the risk of their jobs).

 

I agree, they can protest, nothing at all wrong with that, but they should expect to be ejected or detained by security if she violates the ground rules of conduct at the event.



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 19:30

although i feel bad for people that can't get ahead, your employer is not your care giver, not your friend, not your bank account. If you don't like your job... quit and find one that suits you better.


And you really shouldn't have kids if you can't afford to take care of them. Yes I can understand if both your wife and you had good paying jobs but then your companies closed and you were laid off, so now you are struggling. But she's been at McDonalds for 10 years. She knew when she started working there that it would be tough, so why the hell go and have kids?

There's a ton of ways to prevent you from getting pregnant and as a last resort there's also abortion and adoption (please do not turn this into an anti-abortion discussion, it's just that it's a legal option). If you can't afford to have kids, stop ######ing having them. You aren't doing yourself or your kids any favors if you can't properly take care of them.

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 19:31

Arresting is a bit much, but honestly - there is a reason why I am in college. Retail and fast food don't pay much because no need for skilled labour.



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 19:38

Mcdonalds is a cheap place to buy from, so the wages will be around those figures. You want a higher paying job, then go out and find it or apply for a position that pays more.



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 19:47

And you really shouldn't have kids if you can't afford to take care of them. Yes I can understand if both your wife and you had good paying jobs but then your companies closed and you were laid off, so now you are struggling. But she's been at McDonalds for 10 years. She knew when she started working there that it would be tough, so why the hell go and have kids?

There's a ton of ways to prevent you from getting pregnant and as a last resort there's also abortion and adoption (please do not turn this into an anti-abortion discussion, it's just that it's a legal option). If you can't afford to have kids, stop ****ing having them. You aren't doing yourself or your kids any favors if you can't properly take care of them.

 

Maybe the father is a deadbeat and walked out on them?

 

I wouldn't be so quick to judge unless you know for sure.