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#31 madd-hatter

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 15:23

I don't really bother arguing with obvious trolls who arne't going to listen to what I say anyway. all the info is readily available if you read ANY of the articles or news about Xbox one since summer though. 

 

I'm inclined to agree with him. Perhaps you are just not a PC gamer and these seem like new features to you.

 

cloud - welcome to the "internet"

kinect - webcam and microphone (listening all the time...can even pick you out of a crowd. sup NSA)

record - sup fraps

nice UI - basically windows 8...but without the rest of the Win8 advantages

built the platform like a PC - except without the upgradeability.




#32 trooper11

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 15:39

I'm inclined to agree with him. Perhaps you are just not a PC gamer and these seem like new features to you.

 

 

I don't think the argument was about what counts as an original feature, but instead it seemed like it was arguing over if the features are even good features.

 

I'm really not sure why people want to dump on these X1 features when Sony is doing much of the same thing with the PS4 and very little is said about it.  Maybe that's just how it works in a community that is more likely to attack a MS device, but its just silly to me.

 

 

So if we step back from the console wars and just say compare the features of both consoles to the pc, we discover that yes, the pc can already do all of that.  Once the new Kinect for pc is released, it will also offer the control features that the X1 or PS4 could.  So lets not try to convince ourselves that the consoles are doing things you can't do on a pc, but lets not forget that this is not new.  Current gen consoles didn't do anything that couldn't be done on a pc, but that didn't stop them from being successful.  Consoles are becoming more and more like pcs with each generation.  The X1 is the closest since it actually runs a pc OS in Win 8.

 

No, the reason these features mean something to consoles even if they are on pcs in some form, is that consoles are now basically all-in-one entertainment devices focused on delivering content in a TV environment.  PCs may offer the same stuff, but they are general use devices, not built for an entertainment roll alone.  Yes, you can build a pc and install software to create a system that can very much be focused on displaying media, but the general user is not interested in spending the time to do that.  Instead, they can buy a ps4 or X1 and get a ready-made package for those needs.  So all of these futures are indeed new for consoles and represent the continued evolution of consoles into more pc-like devices. 



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 16:07

I don't think the argument was about what counts as an original feature, but instead it seemed like it was arguing over if the features are even good features.

 

They are good features certainly. I think that long time console players see them as a big step in the right direction while PC gamers think of them as givens. It is certainly nice to have them all integrated together.



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 16:13

They are good features certainly. I think that long time console players see them as a big step in the right direction while PC gamers think of them as givens. It is certainly nice to have them all integrated together.

 

Yeah, I think what this shows is that eventually, consoles will no longer be so different from a pc.  I think this is much easier to say about MS than Sony though, since MS seems much more interested in bringing the two together.

 

Who knows, the next gen could be one without proper console hardware and instead just services that can be streamed to small boxes or accessed via pcs.



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 16:17

They are good features certainly. I think that long time console players see them as a big step in the right direction while PC gamers think of them as givens. It is certainly nice to have them all integrated together.

Comparing PCs and consoles is always useless. It's like looking at a top of the line graphics card and saying "Meh...Iron Man 3 had better graphics".



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 16:31

Yeah, I think what this shows is that eventually, consoles will no longer be so different from a pc.  I think this is much easier to say about MS than Sony though, since MS seems much more interested in bringing the two together.

 

They both have their strengths. Currently, MS is stronger on the software end and Sony performs better on hardware and expansion.



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 16:32

I don't really bother arguing with obvious trolls who arne't going to listen to what I say anyway. all the info is readily available if you read ANY of the articles or news about Xbox one since summer though. 

Where's the argument? You had the initial disagreement with what I said and mentioned you could point out how I was wrong. When asked to make your points you decide not to.



#38 trooper11

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 17:38

They both have their strengths. Currently, MS is stronger on the software end and Sony performs better on hardware and expansion.

 

 

Well my point was about merging a console with the pc, not a general opinion of the two consoles  MS has a console that is closer to a pc software wise due to Win 8 being used.  They also have made it clear that they intend to merge all of their devices under one 'Windows' base and have mentioned things like cross platform gaming, etc, as part of that.

 

So MS is at least openly planning a possible future where an xbox console is basically a media focused pc that is just streamed to or can stand alone.  To the point where a future console might resemble the SteamOS platform where people could buy a game on the pc or console and play it on either. 

 

Sony has made no such indication of interest in that type of future.  But they have shown interest in offering small boxes that get streaming content only, so that could be a future for their consoles.



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 17:56

I'm inclined to agree with him. Perhaps you are just not a PC gamer and these seem like new features to you.

 

I am a PC gamer. it doesn't make his points any more valid. 

 

cloud is not the internet. no PC game (with one exception has used the "cloud" yet. that exception is Eve.  Steam has used the cloud to some degree, but that's the same degree that the 360 already does and is just a small part of the cloud.

 

His Kinect comment is just stupid from the NSA idiocy to comparing it to a webcam and microphone, not even worth getting into. obvious trollbait.

 

Sure you can record with fraps. of course it sucks a solid chunk of performance out of the game. MS CONTINUOUSLY record all the time, you can at any time save the last 5 minutes of gameplay, or start a manual recording from now on forward. without performance impact. The console/game will also automatically save recordings of awesome stuff you do in the game. not only that, but they also automatically upload it to the internet for you. no encoding, no uploading no converting none of all that mess. Welcome to console gaming, it just works. 

 

Never mind I couldn't care less about recording on either console or PC. and I hate when people insist on making tutorials, guides or hints as youtube videos instead of a short text article that is easier to understand and gets right to the point with a couple of screenshots if necessary. 

 

I'm guessing the Nice UI comment is a hidden trollbait comment about his dislike for windows 8. has no impact either here nor there. but it does have a nice GUI allowing you to switch quickly and fluently between movies, tv and gaming among other things. 



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 18:01

They both have their strengths. Currently, MS is stronger on the software end and Sony performs better on hardware and expansion.

 

while Sony seems to edge out on performance, that's not entirely sure anymore after the revelations about the custom architecture of the One platform, at the very least the edge seems to turn out very slight.

 

as for expansion. how does the PS4 score higher on expansion. PS4 allows you to expand the hardware by opening the box and plugging in a bigger one. Xbox One allows you to simply plug in an external drive.  One option may be more aesthetically pleasing (depending on the person), the other is easier to do, both do exactly the same. 



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 18:03

Where's the argument? You had the initial disagreement with what I said and mentioned you could point out how I was wrong. When asked to make your points you decide not to.

 

Why should I bring up counter arguments to obvious troll arguments, half of which have nothing to do with the console, from a troll with a troll avatar... seems rather pointless as your sole purpose was trolling and flame baiting. 



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 18:07

Why should I bring up counter arguments to obvious troll arguments, half of which have nothing to do with the console, from a troll with a troll avatar... seems rather pointless as your sole purpose was trolling and flame baiting. 

Except nothing I posted was "obvious troll arguments". Stop deflecting. If you actually have a counter opinion then post it.



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 18:22

Why should I bring up counter arguments to obvious troll arguments, half of which have nothing to do with the console, from a troll with a troll avatar... seems rather pointless as your sole purpose was trolling and flame baiting. 

 

If this guy is such an "obvious troll", why do you continue to respond to him?

 

You're not practicing what you preach again.



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 18:27

Except nothing I posted was "obvious troll arguments". Stop deflecting. If you actually have a counter opinion then post it.

 

cloud - welcome to the "internet"

kinect - webcam and microphone (listening all the time...can even pick you out of a crowd. sup NSA)

record - sup fraps

nice UI - basically windows 8...but without the rest of the Win8 advantages

built the platform like a PC - except without the upgradeability.

 

Those are about as obvious troll as they get, the other three are pretty borderline as well. 



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 18:35

Still giving no opinions. Just shouting "TROLL!" when you don't agree and hoping it will stick isn't a good effort.