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#121 Athernar

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 21:23

really know...  so you're denying saying that Steam OS will just be the Linux app set to autorun on Ubuntu. 

 

as for speaking about stuff I don't understand, incidentally on these things, I'm fairly certain I know a fair bit more than you. judging by your consistent lack of knowledge when talking about these things.  But don't worry I generally ignore you on the principle that you don't have anything worthwhile to bring to these discussions anyway. all you ever do is incite and troll.

 

Well for a start it's not going to be Ubuntu, especially with the whole issue of Canonical's decision to go with Mir. What it will most likely be is a customised distro that loads into Big picture mode, which has been getting a ton of work in the client betas recently. 

 

I'm fairly certain you're completely clueless when it comes to "these things" as you demonstrated previously with your complete lack of understanding as to the function of systemd.

 

Oh and just FYI, you just made yourself a hypocrite with the blather about "inciting", you did as much with your previous post. gg Hawkman, you're not much of a challenge as usual.




#122 spenser.d

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 21:32

HawkMan, Athernar.....please.

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Anyway, I agree that its the software that will allow a console like the X1 to extend its life over time. Their investment in the cloud should also open up more options as they go along. Since it is based on Win 8, there is a strong possibility that as the OS team and MS improves windows, it will all trickle down to the console, making it even more like a pc in the process.

But even that does not future proof a device. At some point you add features that the hardware can't handle and that pushes you to create new hardware. Who knows what software demands will be like in 7-10 years. New hardware is likely to be necessary all over again.

 

Well of course future-proofing doesn't mean forever-proofing.  I imagine they're shooting for another 8-10 year lifespan as with the current generation of consoles.  I think they've got a console that will last that long without much issue.



#123 Showan

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 23:07

Again, I think what your talking about is being 'built for the future', not 'future proof'

There is no such thing. Even closed consoles are not immune to market affects. If customers start to move away from consoles because something else offers them an experience that they cannot, then its bad news.

My point is that you simply cannot build any device, open or closed, that will stand the test of time forever. You build these things to be as flexible as possible to try and cope with whatever new things come around.


You are correct... I did meant built for future... But can a device accidentally be future proof?.. Such as the 360.. The 360 was suppose to be obsolete years ago, instead it's features became console standards...

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 19:01

The fact that MS made the Xbox One run basically on Hyper-V makes it more future proof than anything. They can blow the whole "non-gaming" portion of the OS and do something totally new without much hassle.



#125 HawkMan

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 19:16

Well for a start it's not going to be Ubuntu, especially with the whole issue of Canonical's decision to go with Mir. What it will most likely be is a customised distro that loads into Big picture mode, which has been getting a ton of work in the client betas recently. 

 

I'm fairly certain you're completely clueless when it comes to "these things" as you demonstrated previously with your complete lack of understanding as to the function of systemd.

 

Oh and just FYI, you just made yourself a hypocrite with the blather about "inciting", you did as much with your previous post. gg Hawkman, you're not much of a challenge as usual.

 

Just FYI, I did not show any lack of understanding about systemd, you simply chose to take my arguments out of context for trolling purposes, as usual. 

 

Anyway, congratulation on being the second person to actually make it on my ignore list, interestingly, I'm about to remove the other person since he seems to have grown up somewhat. 



#126 HawkMan

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 19:18

The fact that MS made the Xbox One run basically on Hyper-V makes it more future proof than anything. They can blow the whole "non-gaming" portion of the OS and do something totally new without much hassle.

 

The whole design of the One from the ingenious custom chip and architecture to the hypervisor and MS continuos support on the software end shows that MS plans for the future. Just look at the Xbox. and the stuff MS was able to do with it down the line because they left the software open and able to be upgraded while Sony, had a lot of issues and was unable to compete on several features since they never planned for future upgradeability when they made the original software and hardware. 



#127 Athernar

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 19:41

Just FYI, I did not show any lack of understanding about systemd, you simply chose to take my arguments out of context for trolling purposes, as usual. 

 

Anyway, congratulation on being the second person to actually make it on my ignore list, interestingly, I'm about to remove the other person since he seems to have grown up somewhat. 

 

There was nothing to take out of context, you flat out didn't understand the purpose of the component.

 

Like you flat out still misunderstand the definition of what "trolling" is, to remind you - it's not anyone that has an opinion contrary to yours, or shows you to be misinformed and/or ignorant.

 

As to the ignore stuff, that's cute. But we both know you never practice what you preach, like how you continually insist on "feeding" people you label as "trolls".



#128 firey

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 19:45

The whole design of the One from the ingenious custom chip and architecture to the hypervisor and MS continuos support on the software end shows that MS plans for the future. 

The same could be said for any special device like that.  The PS4 has a custom chip, same architecture, hypervisor (also used in ps3), and software that is kept up to date.   So by your logic the PS4 is also built for the future.  While yes, the XBOne (And PS4) are designed to last at least 8 years, just having customized hardware and updatable software doesn't ensure it will last that long.

 

Just look at the Xbox. and the stuff MS was able to do with it down the line because they left the software open and able to be upgraded while Sony, had a lot of issues and was unable to compete on several features since they never planned for future upgradeability when they made the original software and hardware.  

Uhm.. Sony ran into issues because the Cell processor wasn't able to do what they wanted, and it also made it tough for developers to work with.  Sony had the PSP long before the PS3.. and it got quite a few updates.   Sony used the same premise software wise for the PS3 (with way better security) meaning they knew how to do software updates, they knew how to expand software, they knew how to update features.  Their issues were hardware not software.  Also, if software really was the hold back.. they could have easily written expansions or a cleaner OS that supported the games (as long as libraries present, it's a non issue).

The 360 used a semi-familliar set of hardware (much closer to a PC than PS3) so MS Was able to write software/OS updates with much less issue than Sony.   



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Posted 21 October 2013 - 23:13

The same could be said for any special device like that.  The PS4 has a custom chip, same architecture, hypervisor (also used in ps3), and software that is kept up to date.   So by your logic the PS4 is also built for the future.  While yes, the XBOne (And PS4) are designed to last at least 8 years, just having customized hardware and updatable software doesn't ensure it will last that long.


Notice he hasn't said that PS4 was not built for the future. Now maybe he believes that, but he never declared MS to corner the market on that. This whole topic is about the X1 being built for the future.

Clearly, both consoles are now more like pcs than ever before. Both are able to be improved software wise as they go along and both have the potential to gain advantages thanks to cloud technologies over time. Sony is ahead in some areas and MS in others, but its mostly a wash.

The only place I would argue MS has an advantage is in adapting the X1 to run Windows proper. Now that Win 8 is a core OS on the X1 and now that apps/games could be easily ported, it could lead to a serious X1 advantage over time. Sony simply is unable to match that level of connection to pcs. So being able to run a pc OS compatibility wise could mean that X1 will be able to evolve more over time.

Sony has its own advantages, such as an edge on MS to implement game streaming via Gaikai. MS may have demoed similar features behind closed doors, but Sony has a ready made system that just needs to be integrated into their platform over the coming year.


The 360 used a semi-familliar set of hardware (much closer to a PC than PS3) so MS Was able to write software/OS updates with much less issue than Sony.


Yeah, the 360 was closer to a pc than the ps3, but the X1 and ps4 are about as close as you can get to a pc without actually being one. They both have gone in and made custom changes though, so you still can't just compare apples to apples.

But from a software perspective, I think the dark horse is Windows being used on the X1. Everything else you can argue is a wash since both companies are fully capable of evolving their software over time. If MS is aggressive in rolling out cross platform support, they could leverage the OS advantage over time.

#130 George P

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 23:16

This thread is going around in circles.  Both are going to be on the market for another 7 years at least and get updates over time, who ads more or in what ways will probably differ but that's about it.  Also the notion that the XB1 isn't about gaming is silly, how many times do they have to say that they're spending big money and opening more first party studios to make games till people get the message? 



#131 Growled

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 23:57

I thought they were all build for the future? If not, are they built for the past?



#132 Showan

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 01:48

1 physical Box
2 OS'
Hyper-V bridging the 2 but never letting either cross the line. (Cause hiccups with each other)
Both OS' get dedicated resources
The supposed "Media/Cable Box only" has amazing games coming out.
The Windows side stripped down to the Kernel (not bloated) with dedicated resources so that's it's got tons of headroom for app developers.
The only TRUE DirectX 11.2 with tiled resources ...

My draw to Xbox is like this. I got an awesome media box that also has awesome games coming for it.... Or, I got a an awesome video game console that does all these other crazy things with ease. See, no matter how you flip it... It's a win win

#133 HawkMan

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 04:08

The same could be said for any special device like that.  The PS4 has a custom chip, same architecture, hypervisor (also used in ps3), and software that is kept up to date.   So by your logic the PS4 is also built for the future.  While yes, the XBOne (And PS4) are designed to last at least 8 years, just having customized hardware and updatable software doesn't ensure it will last that long.

 

Uhm.. Sony ran into issues because the Cell processor wasn't able to do what they wanted, and it also made it tough for developers to work with.  Sony had the PSP long before the PS3.. and it got quite a few updates.   Sony used the same premise software wise for the PS3 (with way better security) meaning they knew how to do software updates, they knew how to expand software, they knew how to update features.  Their issues were hardware not software.  Also, if software really was the hold back.. they could have easily written expansions or a cleaner OS that supported the games (as long as libraries present, it's a non issue).

The 360 used a semi-familliar set of hardware (much closer to a PC than PS3) so MS Was able to write software/OS updates with much less issue than Sony.   

 

Actually Sony had serious design issues with their software preventing them from upgrading it as they should. They simply did not have any experience making a complex expandable OS like the PS3 needed, they where used to a simple static un changing console OS. Hence why there was a lot of features that never arrived properly on the PS3, some they managed to hack in but not for all games since.