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#31 zoharzenica

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 18:53

Best solution is to turn off system restore, install Acronis True Image and life is good. Microsoft should remove all these backup options from Windows because none of them work right or they are incomplete. If they can't provide what Acronis True Image does, they shouldn't bother having anything in OS but let 3rd party to provide solutions.




#32 Gotenks98

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 23:39

Best solution is to turn off system restore, install Acronis True Image and life is good. Microsoft should remove all these backup options from Windows because none of them work right or they are incomplete. If they can't provide what Acronis True Image does, they shouldn't bother having anything in OS but let 3rd party to provide solutions.

They do work if your not doing it wrong. They just need to make this documentation more available or put a better interface on it. I have a refresh/reset image that works just fine. I even worked on getting the compression down even more.  



#33 psychok9

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 04:40

Guys tonight I've tried "enterprise evaluation" method... and it doesn't work!

I've got broken Enterprise evaluation OS!

Now I don't know how to restore my Windows 8.1 Pro  :s



#34 JohnnyGuitar

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 06:42

I wanted to reset an older computer that had been running Windows 8.1 and had this exact issue. I used the method described above and everything worked as described EXCEPT that once it went through the reset process the license agreement told me that I was installing a trial edition of 8.1 Enterprise. At that point I was so far along that I could not back out of the reset process. I now have a reset computer but it has a watermark in the lower right-hand corner that says "Windows 8.1 Enterprise Evaluation. Windows License is expired. Build 9600."

 

What does this mean exactly? I purchased the $40 upgrade to Windows 8 and then installed the upgrade to 8.1...do I now have some kind of version that will expire at some point in the future? Any advice is appreciated, thanks!



#35 zhangm

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 07:34

What does this mean exactly? I purchased the $40 upgrade to Windows 8 and then installed the upgrade to 8.1...do I now have some kind of version that will expire at some point in the future? Any advice is appreciated, thanks!


I believe that technically, the license is already expired for the eval that you have.

Anyway, I'm not aware of a conversion process from Enterprise Eval. to upgraded 8.1 (pro?). Just stabbing in the dark, try making a new refresh/restore partition using a retail image file for the version that you have, and then run the refresh process again. I can't guarantee that it won't go all taco-shaped though. :(

This is old info, but see if it works.
http://www.neowin.ne...b-install-stick

#36 primexx

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 10:07

Microsoft really dropped the ball on this one by refusing to provide clean ISOs for Win8.1. So many totally avoidable problems and bad user experiences simply because their stubborness. I tried the Store upgrade install on my laptop and it bluescreened immediately upon booting into Win8.1 the 1st time. It then suffered frequent BSODs seemingly randomly. I ended up getting a copy of the ISO from a friend and did a clean install, which worked fine. I'm going to do the same with my desktop during the break.

 

If you do get a copy of the ISO, simply use the Win8.1 generic key during the install process, and once booted in put in your actual Win8 key to activate. It doesn't matter if it's an upgrade key it'll take it directly. Don't need to mess with the registry or command prompt at all (As opposed to Win8 which needed a registry edit to activate an upgrade key on a clean install). Very simple and straight forward.



#37 +warwagon

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 18:47

This

 

Microsoft really dropped the ball on this one by refusing to provide clean ISOs for Win8.1. So many totally avoidable problems and bad user experiences simply because their stubborness. I tried the Store upgrade install on my laptop and it bluescreened immediately upon booting into Win8.1 the 1st time. It then suffered frequent BSODs seemingly randomly. I ended up getting a copy of the ISO from a friend and did a clean install, which worked fine. I'm going to do the same with my desktop during the break.

 

If you do get a copy of the ISO, simply use the Win8.1 generic key during the install process, and once booted in put in your actual Win8 key to activate. It doesn't matter if it's an upgrade key it'll take it directly. Don't need to mess with the registry or command prompt at all (As opposed to Win8 which needed a registry edit to activate an upgrade key on a clean install). Very simple and straight forward.

 

Correct this shows a recently Microsoft trend, where they are trying to make things more simple for the consumer but more of a hasel for computer assistance. F8 being turned into Shift + F8 is a great example. Half the consumers we talk with over the phone can screw up F8 on a slow posting bios, let a lone holding down 2 keys on a bios which boots instantly. This is just 1 example.



#38 JohnnyGuitar

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:54

I believe that technically, the license is already expired for the eval that you have.

Anyway, I'm not aware of a conversion process from Enterprise Eval. to upgraded 8.1 (pro?). Just stabbing in the dark, try making a new refresh/restore partition using a retail image file for the version that you have, and then run the refresh process again. I can't guarantee that it won't go all taco-shaped though. :(

This is old info, but see if it works.
http://www.neowin.ne...b-install-stick

I will try this later and let you know what happens. I have no idea what I did with the original 8 and 8.1 install files for that computer. It is a few years old and shipped with windows 7. 

What happens if I do nothing? Will the computer cease working at some point?



#39 zhangm

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 20:10

I will try this later and let you know what happens. I have no idea what I did with the original 8 and 8.1 install files for that computer. It is a few years old and shipped with windows 7. 
What happens if I do nothing? Will the computer cease working at some point?

I'm honestly not sure how the evaluation version is interacting with your upgrade key upon restoring. I'm guessing that it simply won't be activated, so you have the entire 10 day grace period for activation. After that, expect the computer to shut down every hour.
http://technet.micro...r/jj552442.aspx

#40 JohnnyGuitar

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 01:33

Just a quick update. I have no idea what happened to my product key for my original windows 8 install and the refresh now shows the newly installed enterprise edition as "not activated" where my key should have been. Fortunately I was preparing this computer for a secondary life so none of this was too crucial to me. However, I am not willing to spend additional money for an operating system I'd already paid for and finally just decided to use the manufacturer's restore disk to take the OS all the way back to Windows 7.

 

To others that happen upon this topic and the enterprise edition solution that is outlined below the second post, please know that this will not reset or refresh your computer, but install what is essentially a new trial edition windows OS. 

 

Thanks for those who followed up and gave me advice after the install. It is very much appreciated!



#41 Praetor

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 01:39

Refresh is the biggest crap on windows 8, IMHO. Why? because it takes a awful lot of hours to complete; did it a few weeks ago (just for trying and to know the method involved) and after 4 hours it was still in 7%... i wonder what was going on, only to find several people that had the same displeasure on the Internet.



#42 zhangm

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 01:43

Just a quick update. I have no idea what happened to my product key for my original windows 8 install and the refresh now shows the newly installed enterprise edition as "not activated" where my key should have been. Fortunately I was preparing this computer for a secondary life so none of this was too crucial to me. However, I am not willing to spend additional money for an operating system I'd already paid for and finally just decided to use the manufacturer's restore disk to take the OS all the way back to Windows 7.
 
To others that happen upon this topic and the enterprise edition solution that is outlined below the second post, please know that this will not reset or refresh your computer, but install what is essentially a new trial edition windows OS. 
 
Thanks for those who followed up and gave me advice after the install. It is very much appreciated!


Thanks for the feedback. I'm sorry that we weren't able to provide much help getting your installation repaired properly. As a note, after reading your initial post, I edited the second post in this thread to include a warning about this issue - I know it is too little too late for you, but maybe it will stop others from unknowingly performing a reset.

#43 JohnnyGuitar

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 01:59

No worries. I just bought a new laptop and just wanted to clear out the old one for storage, etc. Thanks for being so friendly!



#44 Gotenks98

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 02:01

Refresh is the biggest crap on windows 8, IMHO. Why? because it takes a awful lot of hours to complete; did it a few weeks ago (just for trying and to know the method involved) and after 4 hours it was still in 7%... i wonder what was going on, only to find several people that had the same displeasure on the Internet.

You sure you didn't pick reset my pc with a full drive clean? That wipes the drive completely which is why it takes so long. A standard refresh should not take no more than 20 minutes unless you are having hardware issues or something.



#45 Praetor

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 02:35

You sure you didn't pick reset my pc with a full drive clean? That wipes the drive completely which is why it takes so long. A standard refresh should not take no more than 20 minutes unless you are having hardware issues or something.

 

now that u say that, i think it was reset...yep, reset it was. but it didn't give me the option (at least it wasn't visible) of a full drive wipe, i just thought it will quick format and reinstall from a image, sysprep like.





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