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#16 Javik

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 13:28

10 million... to the 100+ million users running the OS? They did listen, and they released Windows 8.1 with some changes, but they're also working feverishly to unify their platforms, and provide new services to their users. They need to do that to keep up, and what Microsoft is doing is nothing short of a wonder. They're moving forward for a new era in computing, one in which the desktop is part of (PC, Surface, Phone, Cloud, XBox) the puzzle, and not the whole thing anymore - and for that to happen, changes need to be made.

 

The complaints were mostly about the removal of the menu, not the button. Putting the button back isn't a sign of them listening, it was a half-assed approach that really suits very few people. As for their "wonder" strategy... well all I can do is point at sales of surfaces and laugh. It seems on the whole the public seem not to agree with your statement that it is anything "wonderful".




#17 MorganX

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 13:30

I didn't know how to explain it well.. but it is nice to know that I'm not the only one that can't get used to it.

Windows 8.1 really shines with dual monitors. Big dual monitors. Any desktop user who multitasks can appreciate Mail being snapped on the far right at 1/4 screen. Very well designed. Same for the official facebook app. I actually want more, better apps, not less. If they're done right, the Modern UI app can be quite good.

 

Unfortunately, Windows Media Center doesn't like Metro. Crashes even more in 8.1 with Modern Apps running.



#18 Dot Matrix

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 13:37

The complaints were mostly about the removal of the menu, not the button. Putting the button back isn't a sign of them listening, it was a half-assed approach that really suits very few people. As for their "wonder" strategy... well all I can do is point at sales of surfaces and laugh. It seems on the whole the public seem not to agree with your statement that it is anything "wonderful".

The menu isn't coming back. It doesn't work with the UX Microsoft is creating with metro, and it also doesn't support the new APIs and search features baked into the OS. Microsoft met in the middle and gave people back the taskbar-based start button, which invokes the new start screen, which can be customized to meet the needs of users.

 

Also, why single out Surface? Like I said in my original comment, it's only a piece of a larger puzzle which you conveniently ignored. Microsoft has made massive changes both behind the scenes, and on stage. The Surface 2 was just released last night, and is a pretty decent package that will be bringing pressure to the other tablets around it. Nokia also announced a Windows RT tablet last night too, which with the Nokia name on it, will invoke consumer interest.



#19 Javik

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 13:47

I singled out the surface because it's a pretty good indication of how crap joe public thinks their "strategy" is. None of the initial surfaces sold well, and I don't think this one is going to either. You can make all the excuses you want, the reality is Windows tablets are bombing in the market, that's why manufacturer after manufacturer stopped making them. As I have said repeatedly I really couldn't give a toss about the "ecosystem", I'm interested in my needs as a consumer not lining their pockets. So how about actually listening to what people are saying instead of repeating the same annoying Microsoft marketing crap time after time?



#20 Gaara sama

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 13:48

so true google crome don't work well slow big time.



#21 Growled

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 13:52

I singled out the surface because it's a pretty good indication of how crap joe public thinks their "strategy" is. None of the initial surfaces sold well, and I don't think this one is going to either. You can make all the excuses you want, the reality is Windows tablets are bombing in the market, that's why manufacturer after manufacturer stopped making them. As I have said repeatedly I really couldn't give a toss about the "ecosystem", I'm interested in my needs as a consumer not lining their pockets. So how about actually listening to what people are saying instead of repeating the same annoying Microsoft marketing crap time after time?

 

I agree, I don't think 8.1 is going to help Microsoft that much. People just haven't warmed to the interface, overall, though some have. It usually does take Microsoft several tries to get something right, so maybe 8.2 will be the Windows 8 we've been looking for?



#22 xendrome

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 13:56

Software

I am not going to go into every software that I tested on 8.1, but it is worth noting, that I have had a lot of issues with software..

Chrome - Crashing - Slow

Filezilla - Crashing Slow

Firefox - Slow

Putty - Slow

 

 

I'm going to say this with 100% certainty, you have something wrong that is not the OS if Chrome and Filezilla are crashing in Windows 8.1 and you are on the latest versions of those apps.

 

Are you running an HDD, maybe you have bad sectors... but it isn't the OS.



#23 Nehemoth

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 14:04

Same feeling exactly, I was hoping to try again with 8.1 (and I will) but this was how I felt when installed Windows 8. Being using Windows since 98, later 98SE, The Me (Loooove it), Windows 2000, Windows XP (hate it until SP2), VisWhat?, Windows 7 now.

 

Conclusion:

I just can't get into the new swing of the direction of Microsoft. I have been using Microsoft's products for over 23 years and have beta tested since Windows 95. I really enjoyed seeing Microsoft grow and mature over the years. I have read some post on Neowin about members not being able to catch on to the new Windows, and they get called out for being "dinosaurs"  or unable to cope with change. It isn't that at all; think about how much Windows has changed from Windows 3.1 to Windows 7, no one really complained then. Again, I want to stress, it isn't just the start screen I don't like; it is the default metro apps, the entire feel of the OS. Am I jumping ship and never using Windows again? Of course not, I still like Windows 7 as it is a great platform.



#24 Dot Matrix

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 14:09

I singled out the surface because it's a pretty good indication of how crap joe public thinks their "strategy" is. None of the initial surfaces sold well, and I don't think this one is going to either. You can make all the excuses you want, the reality is Windows tablets are bombing in the market, that's why manufacturer after manufacturer stopped making them. As I have said repeatedly I really couldn't give a toss about the "ecosystem", I'm interested in my needs as a consumer not lining their pockets. So how about actually listening to what people are saying instead of repeating the same annoying Microsoft marketing crap time after time?

Change takes time. Microsoft has a good thing going with their tablets, and I think the "blades" will be what wins over consumers, along with the ever growing ecosystem.



#25 Arceles

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 14:12

Change takes time.

Stop trying, it is not happening, Metro Start Screen is inefficient for desktop users and desktop users know the difference between a Dekstop computer and a tablet that barely can keep up using a browser and some tabs opened.



#26 Nick H.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 14:13

Metro apps being the default to open common file types from the desktop makes no sense whatsoever. I've been saying this since Windows 8's release.

I've been out of the loop for a while, is there a way to prevent that from happening? That would be a nightmare for me if I were to install 8/8.1.

#27 threetonesun

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 14:16

I've been out of the loop for a while, is there a way to prevent that from happening? That would be a nightmare for me if I were to install 8/8.1.

 

Sure, same way you did it in every other version of Windows, right click Open With then re-associate the file type.



#28 Nick H.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 14:19

Sure, same way you did it in every other version of Windows, right click Open With then re-associate the file type.

Oh, right! Sorry, I misunderstood Asik's original post. Going from the metro apps idea to the point that you can have a 0% metro experience so long as you install third party addons lead me to think that I would need a third party tool to change that setting. Thanks for clarifying. (Y)

#29 Javik

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 14:21

Change takes time. Microsoft has a good thing going with their tablets, and I think the "blades" will be what wins over consumers, along with the ever growing ecosystem.

 

Odd, the iPad and iPhone sold pretty quickly, so did the first Android phones once they released devices that worked with an OSK.



#30 Javik

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 14:22

I've been out of the loop for a while, is there a way to prevent that from happening? That would be a nightmare for me if I were to install 8/8.1.

 

You can also just uninstall any that you don't use. I removed them all on Windows 8 and it reverted them to opening with their desktop equivalents automatically.