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A joint bulletin issued in early August by the Department of Homeland Security and FBI warns state and local law enforcement agencies to look out for people in possession of ?large amounts? of weapons and ammunition, describing the discovery of ?unusual amounts? of weapons as a potential indicator of criminal or terrorist activity.


Citing the example of Norwegian mass-murderer Anders Behring Breivik, who reportedly ?stockpiled approximately 12,000 pounds of precursors, weapons, and armor and hid them underground in remote, wooded locations,? the bulletin instructs law enforcement to look for ?large amounts of weapons, ammunition, explosives, accelerants, or explosive precursor chemicals? that ?could indicate pre-operational terrorist attack planning or criminal activity.?  Weapons do not have to be ?cached? in remote locations to meet the standard for suspicious activity.  According to the bulletin, weapons could be stored in an ?individual?s home, storage facility, or vehicle? and may include common firearms such as ?rifles, shotguns, pistols? as well as ?military grade weapons.?  The illegal possession of large amounts of ammunition is also listed as a potential indicator of ?criminal weapons possession related to terrorism.?  While the bulletin never clarifies what constitutes a ?large? or ?unusual? quantity of weapons or ammunition, it does say that such a quantity would ?arouse suspicion in a reasonable person.?


The joint DHS-FBI Roll Call Release distributed to police, first responders and private security throughout the U.S. is part of a series of bulletins describing activities ?reasonably indicative of criminal activity associated with terrorism.?  The suspicious activities described in the bulletins are derived from criteria in the Information Sharing Environment (ISE) Functional Standard for Suspicious Activity Reporting signed in 2009.  The ISE Functional Standard governs the collection of information for the Nationwide Suspicious Activity Reporting Initiative (NSI), an interagency program to collect suspicious activity reports from law enforcement agencies around the country.  Other bulletins in the series focus on everything from surveillance and theft to photography and even ?eliciting information,? an activity described as ?questioning individuals at a level beyond mere curiosity.?


http://publicintelligence.net/weapons-discovery-terrorism/


 


I guess UPS and FedEx should report me because I have gun related items and ammo delivered to me on an almost daily basis lol. A person can't be a collector or a hobbyist without being considered a terrorist? :rolleyes:  


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I guess, UPS and FedEx should report me because I have gun related items and ammo delivered to me on an almost daily basis lol. A person can't be a collector or a hobbyist without being considered a terrorist? :rolleyes: 

I guess a lot of people in the south and rural states would be considered terrorists not to mention all the preppers out there.

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I guess a lot of people in the south and rural states would be considered terrorists not to mention all the preppers out there.

Exactly.

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And here I was about to order a set of service-for-20 steak knives for my new dining room.

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Is anyone actually surprised by this ?

 

The next step will be the use of the "see something, say something" laws to have neighbours snoop on neighbours for having "too many" weapons.

 

Its a drip-feed approach to disarming Americans which has been laughed off as a conspiracy theory in the past - try looking further down the road and see how things will turn out given those in power.

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Hello,

Does this mean DocM is a terrorist? :laugh:  (Just playing)

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that being the case a lot of farmers and country folk where i live are terrorists.

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The next step will be the use of the "see something, say something" laws to have neighbours snoop on neighbours for having "too many" weapons.

 

 

Yep. The government having neighbor spy on neighbor is just how things were in the old USSR.

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What do they consider "unusual amounts"?

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What do they consider "unusual amounts"?

Probably anything over 2 firearms.. 

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What do they consider "unusual amounts"?

 

The same definition of "terrorist" - whatever the government want it to mean!

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Is that not true?  Terrorists tend to stockpile weapons...

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Is that not true?  Terrorists tend to stockpile weapons...

Is it not true that there are millions of Americans out there that have numerous amounts of weapons and ammo? All the sudden the government is trying to classify them as terrorists.. 

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Is it not true that there are millions of Americans out there that have numerous amounts of weapons and ammo? All the sudden the government is trying to classify them as terrorists.. 

 

No they aren't.  You're taking their words out of context to support your agenda.

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No they aren't.  You're taking their words out of context to support your agenda.

What?

 

A joint bulletin issued in early August by the Department of Homeland Security and FBI warns state and local law enforcement agencies to look out for people in possession of ?large amounts? of weapons and ammunition, describing the discovery of ?unusual amounts? of weapons as a potential indicator of criminal or terrorist activity.

 

In the first sentence.. 

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I agree with this. I have family members that I don't trust who have a large amount of weaponry.

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No they aren't.  You're taking their words out of context to support your agenda.

 

Did you even read the article? Hes right.

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Did you even read the article? Hes right.

 

No, he's not.

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What?

In the first sentence.. 

 

Yes, it states potential indicator, which pretty clearly indicates that they don't think, by itself, owning a bunch of guns means you're a terrorist.  Owning a bunch of guns, combined with other terrorist-related behavior might get you on their radar.

 

Again, you're just miscontruing what they're saying to support your agenda.

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Yes, it states potential indicator, which pretty clearly indicates that they don't think, by itself, owning a bunch of guns means you're a terrorist.  Owning a bunch of guns, combined with other terrorist-related behavior might get you on their radar.

 

Again, you're just miscontruing what they're saying to support your agenda.

They are calling it a factor, so that means that anyone that has a set amount of firearms a potential terrorist, Branding gun owners a potential anything other than a law abiding citizen is wrong. Ive seen the state of California call a weapons cache 3 rifles.. I personally know people that have over 100 firearms. To the Fed's that means they are potential terrorists.. Yeah, I can see it now, someones neighbor reporting a gun owner for carrying more than one rifle case out to his car... its demonizing a group of people. 

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They are calling it a factor, so that means that anyone that has a set amount of firearms a potential terrorist, Branding gun owners a potential anything other than a law abiding citizen is wrong. Ive seen the state of California call a weapons cache 3 rifles.. I personally know people that have over 100 firearms. To the Fed's that means they are potential terrorists.. Yeah, I can see it now, someones neighbor reporting a gun owner for carrying more than one rifle case out to his car... its demonizing a group of people. 

 

Yay you're getting it now. The operative word being potential

 

It's entirely different from labelling them as terrorists which you said earlier. 

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The issue now is the US government can detain people on suspicion of terrorism without charge.

 

There are people in Guantanamo Bay who haven't been charged. What's to stop them detaining people for owning a couple of guns whenever it suits them?

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Yay you're getting it now. The operative word being potential

 

It's entirely different from labelling them as terrorists which you said earlier.

Same damn thing. They want people watched for things they haven't done or going to do. 

The issue now is the US government can detain people on suspicion of terrorism without charge.

 

There are people in Guantanamo Bay who haven't been charged. What's to stop them detaining people for owning a couple of guns whenever it suits them?

Yep.

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Same damn thing. They want people watched for things they haven't done or going to do. 

 

 

Saying :

 

All the sudden the government is trying to classify them as terrorists.. 

 

 

Isn't the same thing as saying people who own many weapons have the potential to become terrorists. 

 

 

 

The issue now is the US government can detain people on suspicion of terrorism without charge.

 

There are people in Guantanamo Bay who haven't been charged. What's to stop them detaining people for owning a couple of guns whenever it suits them?

 
They've been able to do that now for sometime. 

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Saying :

 

 

 

Isn't the same thing as saying people who own many weapons have the potential to become terrorists.

In my eyes it is. If they want me watched because I own several firearms then yes to me that is labeling me a threat and a terrorist.

Objects don't turn people into threats or terrorists.. You might as well watch the whole south east..

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