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#1 Audioboxer

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 14:12


Yoshida first confirmed that Playstation 4 does automaic cashing to games, and its not the mandatory install. This is really huge news for Playstation 4, it basically mean, if you want to play CoD Ghosts and Killzone, you won't need 100GB of space (50GB each,) you'll just need 50GB to cache them. That's so cool!
 

 

 

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 21:37

Yes, but you still need 50GB free either way. "Oh no, I installed Frogger HD. Now I only have 48GB and can't play CoD :/"



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Posted 26 October 2013 - 21:47

So instead of a streaming install that's fully installed the next time you play it, unless you choose to uninstall it. This will stream the game all over every time.

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 21:53

not forgetting the amount of noise the optical media drive is going to make.

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 22:01

I'm sure the game will have an install, just not a 50GB one. Maybe it installs 15GB of compressed assets on the HDD and the 50GB is to cache them while the game is going on.



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Posted 26 October 2013 - 22:16

What compressed assets? 3d models are computationally very heavy to decompress and would hinder performance significantly, textures are already pre stored compressed by the artists and are loaded into graphics memory as compressed, game audio is generally either lossy compressed or just played as a no. Lossy compressed format, no need to uncompressed it.

The cache is for disk streaming

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 16:39

Ok I'm a bit confused.  This opens up more questions.

 

So does this mean that PS4 games no longer require any kind of install and that the 'cache' is only used while your playing the game?  He says its automatic, implying that the user has no control over that right?

 

Does that also mean that you have to wait for the game to 'cache' to the hard drive before playing?  Such as what was mentioned for Killzone, where you have to wait for so many GBs to cache before you can start playing?

 

Does that also mean that users no longer have the option to install to the hard drive if they wish in order to avoid the caching delay every time?

 

Of course, none of this applies to digital downloads, which will still require you to have the space available for each game, unless this caching thing also applies to digital downloads.

 

We need more info.



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Posted 27 October 2013 - 17:33

Ok I'm a bit confused.  This opens up more questions.

 

So does this mean that PS4 games no longer require any kind of install and that the 'cache' is only used while your playing the game?  He says its automatic, implying that the user has no control over that right?

 

Does that also mean that you have to wait for the game to 'cache' to the hard drive before playing?  Such as what was mentioned for Killzone, where you have to wait for so many GBs to cache before you can start playing?

 

Does that also mean that users no longer have the option to install to the hard drive if they wish in order to avoid the caching delay every time?

 

Of course, none of this applies to digital downloads, which will still require you to have the space available for each game, unless this caching thing also applies to digital downloads.

 

We need more info.

 

I assume you can choose to install if you want.  As far as the Killzone thing - that was only for digital downloading.  I imagine you wouldn't have to wait for caching to start playing as those can happen simultaneously, and I'm betting that's what was meant by 'automatically'.

 

I think it just means, if you don't want to install the game but have space on your HDD, it will cache the game while you play it so that you can get the benefits of an installed game while you're playing without having to permanently take up space on your HDD and that the PS4 does it automatically - you likely won't know it happened.



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Posted 27 October 2013 - 17:46

I assume you can choose to install if you want.  As far as the Killzone thing - that was only for digital downloading.  I imagine you wouldn't have to wait for caching to start playing as those can happen simultaneously, and I'm betting that's what was meant by 'automatically'.
 
I think it just means, if you don't want to install the game but have space on your HDD, it will cache the game while you play it so that you can get the benefits of an installed game while you're playing without having to permanently take up space on your HDD and that the PS4 does it automatically - you likely won't know it happened.



Hmm, well if that's the case, then I would very much prefer to use the cache method over installing. If it can really give me all the performance advantages of installing it without the negatives of using the space long term and it doesn't delay starting the game, then I see no reason at all to install it.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 17:46

I assume you can choose to install if you want.  As far as the Killzone thing - that was only for digital downloading.  I imagine you wouldn't have to wait for caching to start playing as those can happen simultaneously, and I'm betting that's what was meant by 'automatically'.

 

I think it just means, if you don't want to install the game but have space on your HDD, it will cache the game while you play it so that you can get the benefits of an installed game while you're playing without having to permanently take up space on your HDD and that the PS4 does it automatically - you likely won't know it happened.

That's my assumption too.   You can either install (takes up the most space, least performance hit) or run from disk with caching.  It is probably used to reduce load times, allow for full cities/zones without loading.  I assume that thing such as audio, cutscenes, etc will remain on disk.. but any of the larger assets that real-time require will be cached to the hdd.



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Posted 27 October 2013 - 19:18

Killzone will only take 15 seconds to boot from disc.



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Posted 27 October 2013 - 19:26

Christ I find it hard to believe these games are legitimately 50GB, that's just lazyness. PC Games are nowhere near that, even ones with 1080 textures etc. Even when I mod games with 4k resolution textures. Sounds like laziness to me. 



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Posted 27 October 2013 - 19:26

Hmm, well if that's the case, then I would very much prefer to use the cache method over installing. If it can really give me all the performance advantages of installing it without the negatives of using the space long term and it doesn't delay starting the game, then I see no reason at all to install it.


There's one major disadvantage, the whine of a constantly running high speed BD drive. PS players who complained about the noise of the first models of the 360 should really hate this, as the DVD drive was the primary cause of the loud 360s.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 19:27

Christ I find it hard to believe these games are legitimately 50GB, that's just lazyness. PC Games are nowhere near that, even ones with 1080 textures etc. Even when I mod games with 4k resolution textures. Sounds like laziness to me. 


Well, they have the media space (bluray), and I'm sure that most of it is uncompressed too.



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Posted 27 October 2013 - 19:28

Christ I find it hard to believe these games are legitimately 50GB, that's just lazyness. PC Games are nowhere near that, even ones with 1080 textures etc. Even when I mod games with 4k resolution textures. Sounds like laziness to me.


They're not. What does 4k resolution have to do with games size anyway? At any rate most games aren't even going to be half that, most will probably be at most 15 but some MMOs and open world games might hit 25-40