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#1 DanMc85

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 20:33

I am interested in upgrading my processor and motherboard at this point and the rest of my PC in the near future...

 

I use my PC mainly for high end gaming and video ripping to MKV's off my disc collection for easy access.

 

I am debating between these two setups and wondered if anyone had any recommendations or options on either of them:

 

ASUS MAXIMUS VI FORMULA

Intel Core i7-4770K Haswell 3.5GHz

 

OR

 

ASUS X79 DELUXE LGA 2011

Intel Core i7-4820K Ivy Bridge-E 3.7GHz

 

Naturally I want the newer Haswell processor, but I hear the Ivy Bridge-E has more power and better memory support.

 

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 20:44

well either processor is good for high end gaming neither one will make any discernable difference but the main reason not to go for ivybridge-e according to sites is it still uses the old x79 chipset or someat with less features than the newer haswell motherboards and probably costs more to. I doubt getting ivybridge-e over haswell for ripping stuff will make much difference to the amount of time it takes. sure x79 has quad channel memory but doubt it makes a difference as its down to the actual processor to crunch it up.

 

So for better featured chipset thats not instantly "out of date" go with the haswell combo.... hmm just looked the x79 deluxe supports 2x PCIe lanes at 16x wheres the maximus VI only supports 2x PCIe lanes at 8x so if your planning on putting dual cards in there either go for x79 or change the haswell board



#3 Andre S.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 21:02

According to this set of benchmarks by hardwarecanucks, the Haswell CPU is faster both in games and video encoding. It's also the cheapest option by far.

 

X79 has quad-channel RAM but system memory bandwidth is usually irrelevant, and 4 sticks of RAM is 2 points of failure you could avoid in your system. My vote goes to Haswell.



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Posted 27 October 2013 - 21:46

Haswell, hands down.



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Posted 28 October 2013 - 12:00

Well Haswell has many benefits compared to Ivy-bridge. Some examples of that would be the newer, updated motherboards, faster speeds(Haswell averages 10+% faster), less energy consumption and the next-gen Intel CPU's Broadwell are supposed to run on the same 1150 socket, allowing for more room to upgrade while Ivy-Bridge is a dead socket.

 

So if you're building a new PC then the Z87 is a MUST and it is priced the same as the older z77. There is absolutely no reason to go with a z77 Ivy bridge if you are building a new PC.

 

In the end, buying Haswell will give you the potential to upgrade to Broadwell (but not guaranteed). Plus more native features in the chipset.

 

 

I don’t think there’s any compelling reason to move from an Ivy Bridge or even a Sandy Bridge based system to a Haswell system– there simply isn’t enough performance and feature differential to justify it. On the other hand, if you’re building a new rig from scratch, there’s little point in investing in end-of-life platforms, so going Haswell/Z87 makes sense.

http://benchmarkrevi...oard-review/12/

 

 

I recently built a new system. I went with the i7-4770K Haswell 3.5GHz on a ASRock Z87 Extreme4. I'm VERY happy with my decision.



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Posted 28 October 2013 - 12:10

All this talk of new systems lately is making me feel broody lol. think i could sell my old i950 rig for £600 all in but a new i7 haswell w/ 16GB ram 250GB SSD 280x, armor case etc would cost £1400 :(  think ill wait for DDR4 systems and upgrade in 2-3 years seeing as me rig atm handles everything really well as is and will get even better when i slap in a 280x although not sure which one to get. Dunno whether go for the sapphire vapor-x or wait for the toxic version either way got till friday decide to lay down some BF ownage :D



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Posted 28 October 2013 - 12:25

All this talk of new systems lately is making me feel broody lol. think i could sell my old i950 rig for £600 all in but a new i7 haswell w/ 16GB ram 250GB SSD 280x, armor case etc would cost £1400 :(  think ill wait for DDR4 systems and upgrade in 2-3 years seeing as me rig atm handles everything really well as is and will get even better when i slap in a 280x although not sure which one to get. Dunno whether go for the sapphire vapor-x or wait for the toxic version either way got till friday decide to lay down some BF ownage :D

 

DDR4 is expected to hit the market in 2016, can your current system hold out until then?

 

I'm actually also getting the R9 280x. I considered the Sapphire toxic since it is the highest performing performing 280x (Mainly due to it being the highest stock over-clocked card in the world) but it uses tremendous amount of power. But I couldn't ignore the fact that it completely trounced the GTX 770 while being cheaper and not to mention being it being only a spitting distance behind the GTX 780 reference card.

 

Then I found the ASUS Radeon R9-280X DirectCU II TOP. It is almost as fast as the Sapphire while using less power. It too trounces the GTX 770, while being cheaper. It too is a spitting distance behind the reference GTX 780 at half the price.

 

Given the small price premium, ASUS still has the best combination of warranty/noise vs cooling/stock OC, IMO.



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Posted 28 October 2013 - 12:45

DDR4 is expected to hit the market in 2016, can your current system hold out until then?

 

I'm actually also getting the R9 280x. I considered the Sapphire toxic since it is the highest performing performing 280x (Mainly due to it being the highest stock over-clocked card in the world) but it uses tremendous amount of power. But I couldn't ignore the fact that it completely trounced the GTX 770 while being cheaper and not to mention being it being only a spitting distance behind the GTX 780 reference card.

 

Then I found the ASUS Radeon R9-280X DirectCU II TOP. It is almost as fast as the Sapphire while using less power. It too trounces the GTX 770, while being cheaper. It too is a spitting distance behind the reference GTX 780 at half the price.

 

Given the small price premium, ASUS still has the best combination of warranty/noise vs cooling/stock OC, IMO.

 

Yeah the toxic does use a ton of power but you should be able to overclock the asus definately to 1150 with no problems at all. ive got a 650w PSU hopefully its enough hahaha. Think i might go with the ASUS one then, just that the sapphires boxes look cooler lol.

 

Current system is i7 950, x58 sabertooth, 12GB triple channel ram, SSD, xifi titanium sound card, itll be be fine till then id imagine. Just needs the gfx card updating every so often



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Posted 28 October 2013 - 13:01

Naturally I want the newer Haswell processor, but I hear the Ivy Bridge-E has more power and better memory support.

 

Thanks,
 Dan

what does 'more power' and 'better memory support' mean?

 

i'd get Haswell.



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Posted 28 October 2013 - 13:17

Yeah the toxic does use a ton of power but you should be able to overclock the asus definately to 1150 with no problems at all. ive got a 650w PSU hopefully its enough hahaha. Think i might go with the ASUS one then, just that the sapphires boxes look cooler lol.

 

Current system is i7 950, x58 sabertooth, 12GB triple channel ram, SSD, xifi titanium sound card, itll be be fine till then id imagine. Just needs the gfx card updating every so often

 

I would consider that High-end, so you should fine. I too would wait for DDR4. I agree the Sapphire defiantly looks cooler, but it is also very long. 12.25 inches or 31.1 cm makes it one of the longest GPU's. I measured and my current case can only accommodate up to 27 cm. The ASUS 280x is 28.5 cm. :pinch: So that means that I'll have to buy a new case a long with a new power supply. Upgrading is expensive.

 

For power supply I'm going to go with Corsair CX750M and for cases I'm mulling over two:

 

The Fractal Design Define R4:

 

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Or the NZXT Phantom (Black)

 

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 13:24

I have NZXT H2 and I am thoroughly unhappy with it's quality. 

 

I will go for Fractal Design Define R4 without a second thought. It's the best case in business.



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Posted 28 October 2013 - 13:26

I bought a Define R4, and it is an amazing case. Very easy to install components, tons of space, easy cable management, and a very quiet case with effective cooling. 

 

I would go Haswell - cheaper and powerful.



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Posted 28 October 2013 - 13:28

to the OP: neither, go AMD!

 

seriously, both the architectures (Ivy Bridge and Haswell) are good (performance wise) but i'd go for the newer, latter: much more room to explore and newer boards that can maximize the performance.



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Posted 28 October 2013 - 13:44

I would consider that High-end, so you should fine. I too would wait for DDR4. I agree the Sapphire defiantly looks cooler, but it is also very long. 12.25 inches or 31.1 cm makes it one of the longest GPU's. I measured and my current case can only accommodate up to 27 cm. The ASUS 280x is 28.5 cm. :pinch: So that means that I'll have to buy a new case a long with a new power supply. Upgrading is expensive.

 

For power supply I'm going to go with Corsair CX750M and for cases I'm mulling over two:

 

Ive buckled and gone for the sapphire toxic one because 5 became available at overclockers so jumped in my car drove 2 minutes went in the shop and got one lol but tbh i think if you overclocked the asus to nearly 1150 it would probably draw the same amount of power than the sapphire.  Ive got a NZXT phantom full tower case so itll take the full length board... hopefully hahaha will have put it in after work but shouldnt be a problem. I like the phantom case sleek and stylish. Got go work in 5 minutes :( booo but got crysis 3 loaded up ready to smash the settings to MAXIMUM SUPER ULTRA BELLS AND WHISTLES boom :D:D:D



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Posted 28 October 2013 - 20:19

Thanks guys... I ordered some stuff from NewEgg and some other stuff will just be swapped over from my current build as I already have a good NVIDIA GTX680, Samsung 840Pro SSD, PSU, and HDD/Optical Drives:

 

ASUS MAXIMUS VI FORMULA LGA 1150 - Motherboard

Intel Core i7-4770K Haswell 3.5GHz CPU

Corsair Obsidian Series 900D  Case (This thing is beast)

CORSAIR Hydro Series H100i Extreme Performance Water/Liquid CPU Cooler. 240mm CPU Water Cooler

G.SKILL Trident X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 16GB DDR3 2400 (May double it for 32GB)