trooper11 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Yes, that's true. The PS3 evolved significantly from launch and I'm sure the PS4 will not be the exception. I agree, but then why not set a goal to at least start out with the same support that the previous console had. Either way, both consoles will certainly add features as time goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compl3x Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Damn can the console do anything before the first software update? Day one patches are pretty much the norm now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 The PS3 added those features as time went on because the features gained traction and widespread usage. The PS4 is quickly becoming what the first iPhone was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compl3x Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 The DLNA thing confuses me most -- it's Sony technology ffs. Isn't available on the Vita as far as I know, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenser.d Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 How can it not be true? This is straight from Sony's Official PS4 FAQ. They could always do a 180... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Day one patches are pretty much the norm now. That restore functionality? Think not. I've seen plenty of smartphones or computers that need software updates on first use but they're not absolutely integral. A day one patch for the XB1 is understandable after they did a 180 on pretty much everything. The console still works though. You just can't access Live. With the PS4, you essentially have a $400 box. I'm getting a PS4 but Sony is going back to its old ways of giving the customer the proverbial dick in the butt until the customers tell them to take it out. neo1911 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compl3x Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Remember the Wii U also had a big day one patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soniqstylz Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 That restore functionality? Think not. I've seen plenty of smartphones or computers that need software updates on first use but they're not absolutely integral. A day one patch for the XB1 is understandable after they did a 180 on pretty much everything. The console still works though. You just can't access Live. With the PS4, you essentially have a $400 box. I'm getting a PS4 but Sony is going back to its old ways of giving the customer the proverbial dick in the butt until the customers tell them to take it out. Can't play games, either. The DRM is being patched out with that Day One patch. They could always do a 180... ;) It looks like they might,according to Shu Javascript is not enabled or refresh the page to view. Click here to view the Tweet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper11 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I'm sure a Sony 180 will be accepted by more people than a MS 180. Now lets see what they follow that up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firey Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I've never user my PS3 for any of that so I would probably not miss them but it's still utterly weird that they are not including those features :/ My thoughts exactly. I streamed once or twice on PS3 but it wasn't the easiest to do. I never played music or cd's on it.. won't be doing it on PS4 either.. but why not support something that is.. well... normal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper11 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 My thoughts exactly. I streamed once or twice on PS3 but it wasn't the easiest to do. I never played music or cd's on it.. won't be doing it on PS4 either.. but why not support something that is.. well... normal? I doubt I will play an audio cd on it, but I would most certainly play mp3s and use it to stream media, such as music that is on my pc. I mean if the only way you can have background music playing on the ps4 is to subscribe to their Music Unlimited service, that will be very disappointing. But hey, maybe Sony is not supporting that stuff because they feel that not enough people make use of it to matter. Heck, you guys are basically proving that point. You don't care because you didn't use it before. I accept the possibility that I am not among a majority of users when it comes to those features. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soniqstylz Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I doubt I will play an audio cd on it, but I would most certainly play mp3s and use it to stream media, such as music that is on my pc. I mean if the only way you can have background music playing on the ps4 is to subscribe to their Music Unlimited service, that will be very disappointing. But hey, maybe Sony is not supporting that stuff because they feel that not enough people make use of it to matter. Heck, you guys are basically proving that point. You don't care because you didn't use it before. I accept the possibility that I am not among a majority of users when it comes to those features. Background music on PS3 was barely functional, needed dev API to use it. I think I used it to play Warhawk and that was about it. I did, however, use it to just play music either from the drive, or streamed from UMS. I already now have to pay to play online, although I already had PS+ anyway. I refuse to pay to stream music that I most likely already own (or what I own / want to hear won't be available). DLNA is Sony tech, so that makes no sense. MP3 support is cheap and easy to build in. I'd like to use custom soundtracks more often, especially for MP games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BajiRav Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Background music on PS3 was barely functional, needed dev API to use it. I think I used it to play Warhawk and that was about it. I did, however, use it to just play music either from the drive, or streamed from UMS. I already now have to pay to play online, although I already had PS+ anyway. I refuse to pay to stream music that I most likely already own (or what I own / want to hear won't be available). DLNA is Sony tech, so that makes no sense. MP3 support is cheap and easy to build in. I'd like to use custom soundtracks more often, especially for MP games. DLNA is not a "sony tech" because it is based on UPnP which IIRC is an industry group. UPnP itself is mostly intel or Microsoft stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead.cell Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Honestly, the whole DNLA thing is a shock to me, because I don't know anyone that really used, let alone mentioned using any of this stuff with the existing consoles. :ermm: I knew both consoles weren't going to be fully ready at launch, which is why I figured buying into a day-one console launch without reading reviews, without making an informed decision was just absolutely nuts. Then again, I've never been one to favor "early adopting" tech. Maybe I just don't like getting burned like others do, I don't even... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandalsquad Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Honestly, the whole DNLA thing is a shock to me, because I don't know anyone that really used, let alone mentioned using any of this stuff with the existing consoles. :ermm: You don't know anyone that used their PS3 or 360 to steam movies, tv shows, or music? :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead.cell Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 You don't know anyone that used their PS3 or 360 to steam movies, tv shows, or music? :| Not from other devices no. Streaming via Netflix and stuff yes, but as far as I'm aware, this doesn't effect that, does it? :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper11 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Honestly, the whole DNLA thing is a shock to me, because I don't know anyone that really used, let alone mentioned using any of this stuff with the existing consoles. :ermm: I knew both consoles weren't going to be fully ready at launch, which is why I figured buying into a day-one console launch without reading reviews, without making an informed decision was just absolutely nuts. Then again, I've never been one to favor "early adopting" tech. Maybe I just don't like getting burned like others do, I don't even... This is a case of caring what other people might want to have feature wise. There are plenty of people like yourself that have no interest in something like DLNA, much less care about access local media via a console or any other device. This is all about the consumer that has a 'home theater', either large or small, and likes to have access to all of their local media. Consumers that don't get most of their content via streaming services like Netflix. Its that segment of consumer that must have this kind of support and wants a console that supports it because it means they can eliminate an extra 'box' under their tv. These people will have a dedicated media server (any old pc, sometimes in another room, or in the same room in a smallish case) that serves up all of their music, movies, tv shows, etc. Being able to use a game console to play that media instead of having to use yet another box, is nice. Not to mention that both the ps3 and 360 supported this feature. People are already use to it just being there. I'm not sure why there is so much resistance to a $400-$500 device that offers media features such as this on top of gaming functions, but it seems to stir up all sorts of people on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I know a lot of 360 players used DLNA at the very least. best way to play music while gaming. Stream music in the background in any game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Showan Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I didn't know I even had a DLNA compatible device. I've never had a TV that supported it (I figured it was limited to that).. everything I do is just wired in or file system is remotely accessed. DLNA is usually only in Smart TV's... DLNA devices consist of: Game Consoles such as 360, PS3, PC's, Smart Phones, Apple TV, Roku, things of of that nature. That share file you created on your PC, guess what, that's DLNA enabled... You could download Plex Media Server, give Plex access to the folder, and when you turn on your PS3... You will see your content,,, You my friend, have been living in modern times, the whole time and didn't even know it... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Showan Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Let's regurgitate some of the things from the summer... "What about those who are in the military who don't have access to the internet, and just want to watch a Blu-Ray after gaming?" "What if "Timmy" doesn't have an iPod or whatever, and just wants to play CD's in his room on his PS4?" You have to order a disc to get the update, if you dont have internet... WOW... just WOW.... I pay $400 for a Box that is being compared to a decent PC, but yet it can't do what a PC does... What am I missing? External USB support is the norm these days... That should already be baked in, very early in development. vcfan and BajiRav 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Norris Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 DLNA is usually only in Smart TV's... DLNA devices consist of: Game Consoles such as 360, PS3, PC's, Smart Phones, Apple TV, Roku, things of of that nature. That share file you created on your PC, guess what, that's DLNA enabled... You could download Plex Media Server, give Plex access to the folder, and when you turn on your PS3... You will see your content,,, You my friend, have been living in modern times, the whole time and didn't even know it... :D Big +1 for Plex, super convenient for sharing media. My cable uses one of the newer "central DVR's" that feed the whole house and it picks up Plex automatically, can stream content to any TV, computer or mobile device in the house, really handy. Rather surprised the PS4 isn't going to support this, especially since the PS3 did. Wonder if it's an antipiracy move, considering Sony's in the movie biz and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xWhiplash Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Microsoft and Sony should have released their consoles next year. As a consumer, this puts me off both companies (the Xbox One 180 and now this + Blu Ray update). They are not ready. They should have released these things next year. The Evil Overlord 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbauer Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Shuhei Yoshida ?@yosp4h Had a very good discussion w the PS4 Dev team today. We're happy & appreciative to learn so many people use and like PS3's media features. Maybe they're considering it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soniqstylz Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Maybe they're considering it now. That should be filed under "no ######". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soniqstylz Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 DLNA is not a "sony tech" because it is based on UPnP which IIRC is an industry group. UPnP itself is mostly intel or Microsoft stuff. It uses UPnP, but DLNA guidelines were established by Sony. http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/technology/technology/theme/dlna_01.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Living_Network_Alliance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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