#Michael Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 This just gets better and better The National Security Agency has secretly broken into the main communications links that connect Yahoo and Google data centers around the world, according to documents obtained from former NSA contractor Edward Snowden and interviews with knowledgeable officials. By tapping those links, the agency has positioned itself to collect at will from among hundreds of millions of user accounts, many of them belonging to Americans. The NSA does not keep everything it collects, but it keeps a lot. According to a top secret accounting dated Jan. 9, 2013, NSA?s acquisitions directorate sends millions of records every day from Yahoo and Google internal networks to data warehouses at the agency?s Fort Meade headquarters. In the preceding 30 days, the report said, field collectors had processed and sent back 181,280,466 new records ? ranging from ?metadata,? which would indicate who sent or received e-mails and when, to content such as text, audio and video. Full article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-infiltrates-links-to-yahoo-google-data-centers-worldwide-snowden-documents-say/2013/10/30/e51d661e-4166-11e3-8b74-d89d714ca4dd_story.html?Post+generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm_twitter_washingtonpost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techbeck Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Read this earlier...the NSA is really out of control. Growled and fusi0n 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co-ords Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Not surprised at all sadly... they should be held accountable for all of this!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusi0n Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 This needs to end now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#Michael Posted October 30, 2013 Author Share Posted October 30, 2013 The verge has this story also: http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/30/5046958/nsa-secretly-taps-into-google-yahoo-networks-to-collect-information With a follow up from poltico: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/keith-alexander-nsa-report-google-yahoo-99103.html?hp=t3_3 That has rebuke from the nsa director. That is a great non-denial denial. Asked about the leak, Gen. Keith Alexander, the NSA?s leader, said earlier Wednesday he was unaware of the Post?s report ? adding the NSA is ?not authorized? to access companies data centers and instead must ?go through a court process? to obtain such content.Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/keith-alexander-nsa-report-google-yahoo-99103.html#ixzz2jErw3jSJ A comment from the politco story made a great point. "Interesting denial. Just in case you weren't paying attention, the WaPo report didn't say that the NSA had access to Google's "data centers", but rather to the fiber links *between* their data centers. The general's carefully worded denial could plausibly be taken as a confirmation of the report." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan R. Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 The verge has this story also: http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/30/5046958/nsa-secretly-taps-into-google-yahoo-networks-to-collect-information With a follow up from poltico: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/keith-alexander-nsa-report-google-yahoo-99103.html?hp=t3_3 That has rebuke from the nsa director. That is a great non-denial denial. A comment from the politco story made a great point. "Interesting denial. Just in case you weren't paying attention, the WaPo report didn't say that the NSA had access to Google's "data centers", but rather to the fiber links *between* their data centers. The general's carefully worded denial could plausibly be taken as a confirmation of the report."[/size] Yeah, he can slip around the words all he wants but he's still a despicable person for playing us like this. It's no damn secret anymore that they are exploiting physical cables that are downlinks from datacenters they want data from. No, they don't need court approvals or anything really. They're completely rampant. This s*** needs to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJerman Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Not surprised at all sadly... they should be held accountable for all of this!! Indeed, unfortunately we've allowed our government to become far too powerful to a point where they don't even resemble a government for the people and are pretty much unstoppable. As scary as it is, there's no one in the world who can hold them accountable now, and they've already proven that they've completely destroyed any systems of checks and balances internally. Bryan R. 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art_X Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Indeed, unfortunately we've allowed our government to become far too powerful to a point where they don't even resemble a government for the people and are pretty much unstoppable. As scary as it is, there's no one in the world who can hold them accountable now, and they've already proven that they've completely destroyed any systems of checks and balances internally. Government's have never been for the people, just the politicians that look out for themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ_ Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 With PRISM they have direct access to data with the providers knowledge yet they go one step further and tap into fibre links. This worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimeMaster Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 They certainly don't respect peoples privacy. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted October 30, 2013 Member Share Posted October 30, 2013 Read this earlier...the NSA is really out of control. Definitely out of control. This is just crazy. No agency should have this much power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 With all these so called spying secrets coming out from Snowden's files, has anyone actually stopped to ask where the proof of all of it is? Without proof, it's just some claims made by some dude... I'm not saying it's not true, but I would like to see some actual proof of it all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seta-san Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 i don't know why the NSA is spying on google. google is always happy to sell people's data. nitins60 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc2k Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 With all these so called spying secrets coming out from Snowden's files, has anyone actually stopped to ask where the proof of all of it is? Without proof, it's just some claims made by some dude... I'm not saying it's not true, but I would like to see some actual proof of it all... Some dude hunted by the US for leaking classified information. Your PM wants to stop the press from reporting on his leaks because terrorists win or something. There's plenty of proof, like the software they use for example. i don't know why the NSA is spying on google. google is always happy to sell people's data. Why pay for something when you can get it for free without anyone knowing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Some dude hunted by the US for leaking classified information. Your PM wants to stop the press from reporting on his leaks because terrorists win or something. There's plenty of proof, like the software they use for example. That's not actually proof of anything other than Snowden is wanted for something and the PM is worried that the press have classified information. It's not actual hard proof of what the NSA and co have been up to. Like I said, I'm not saying all these revelations are lies, but as an intelligent & reasoning being, I require proof before I'm convinced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc2k Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 That's not actually proof of anything other than Snowden is wanted for something and the PM is worried that the press have classified information. It's not actual hard proof of what the NSA and co have been up to. Like I said, I'm not saying all these revelations are lies, but as an intelligent & reasoning being, I require proof before I'm convinced. The documents of some (all?) of these leaks are public AFAIK. I haven't looked to much into it, but I've seen the one where they explain how they use that tracking software of theirs. This being espionage with extremely damaging consequences for regular people and politics alike, it would be hard to find secondary sources. There would have to be additional whistle-blowers (unlikely due to the effect this would have on one's life and the lockdown Snowden triggered), spy agencies coming clean about the whole thing (won't hold my breath for that one) or "official investigations" (which would end up 99% redacted to the public). To summarise, you have to read the leaked files that are public and make up your mind about them and/or trust (or not) the journalistic integrity of the people publishing these leaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted October 31, 2013 Member Share Posted October 31, 2013 i don't know why the NSA is spying on google. google is always happy to sell people's data. They are too cheap to pay for it. They'd rather pirate it instead. DConnell 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#Michael Posted October 31, 2013 Author Share Posted October 31, 2013 Direct from an NBCNews article on this today: "If you've got a U.S. area code, you are filtered out," said a senior U.S. official familiar with the programs ? one of which is called "MUSCULAR." That program is operated jointly with the NSA's British counterpart, the Government Communications Headquarters, according to the Post's report. The official added that the taps do not mean that the content of phone calls or emails is routinely read. So now the NSA has backtracked again. Now they don't deny that this exists now they just try to justify its existence by saying this stupid line. Full article: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/31/21264223-nsa-british-intelligence-secretly-tapped-into-google-yahoo-cable-links-officials-say?lite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameboy1977 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Did NSA read people's yahoo messenger since 2009? I am curious about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan R. Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Did NSA read people's yahoo messenger since 2009? I am curious about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameboy1977 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 If a greedy woman who asked many men some money for foods, and etc, but she flirts with many men for money over the internet with western union, so she will buy her new house or car. I am sure that NSA can read their yahoo messenger often, right? I believe it is cybercrime over the internet too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamp0 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 They did so many fantastic things, but, damn, after this whole prism leak & the Armstrong doping scandal, man I don't think NSA can ever recover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan R. Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 If a greedy woman who asked many men some money for foods, and etc, but she flirts with many men for money over the internet with western union, so she will buy her new house or car. I am sure that NSA can read their yahoo messenger often, right? I believe it is cybercrime over the internet too. I highly doubt the NSA has her in their sights... They would much rather take down the little prick playing Call of Duty threatening the jerks who camped him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 The NSA sees you sitting naked thru your webcam. :ninja: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#Michael Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 Well just to keep this going. An interesting article over on betanews: http://betanews.com/2013/11/03/the-google-file-system-makes-nsas-hack-blatantly-illegal-and-it-knows-it/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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