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#31 neo158

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Posted 02 November 2013 - 05:39

As others have said, virtualizing x86 to the cloud isn't the best option for everyone.

 

Why would anyone rather have x86 vs ARM? Compatibility. All of your existing x86 games and applications can run on any device. Plus, the power efficiency of x86 is (arguably, obviously) on par with ARM finally. Even if you don't believe that it's quite there yet, it's very close, and will be in the short term. There's no point for most software vendors or developers to painstakingly, and expensively, port all of their applications to a new architecture and/or a new interface.

 

Why would you want compatibility though, can Surface Pro 2 run Crysis and why would anyone consider running software that isn't optimised for a touchscreen on a touchscreen based device?

 

Most of those apps only require recompiling for ARM to get them running anyway, Outlook 2013 on Windows RT 8.1 is the perfect example.




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Posted 02 November 2013 - 06:05

Why would you want compatibility though, can Surface Pro 2 run Crysis and why would anyone consider running software that isn't optimised for a touchscreen on a touchscreen based device?

 

Most of those apps only require recompiling for ARM to get them running anyway, Outlook 2013 on Windows RT 8.1 is the perfect example.

 

Why would you want compatibility? Seriously?

 

Put a portable mouse and keyboard on that Surface Pro 2 and you probably can play Crysis :) I'm not going to argue that it'll be really smooth, I'm not sure what the requirements are for Crysis. I'm also not arguing that a desktop or laptop aren't better in some circumstances than a tablet. For sure they are. Can Surface (RT) 2 on ARM even run Crysis? That's the point.

 

The stylus is actually great... Photoshop, along with many other desktop tasks, works great with it. In many ways, especially in Photoshop, it's even better than a mouse. I can't say it totally replaces the mouse, but working on the desktop, with menus and interfaces not designed for touch, isn't much of a factor.

 

With x86, they don't even need to be recompiled and debugged :)



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Posted 02 November 2013 - 06:12

I think they just need to open up the platform and allow devs to compile for arm and install desktop apps normally just as they do on x86.  It has a desktop, there's no reason it can't run desktop apps.  Especially stuff made with .net.  I don't expect it to run Crysis, but it'd be nice to be able to use ComicRack or Paint.net.



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Posted 02 November 2013 - 06:15

What's stopping you from just using Remote Desktop?



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Posted 02 November 2013 - 06:27

i have a surface RT and i hate the desktop world on it. lose it and make everything tile world.



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Posted 02 November 2013 - 06:29

What's stopping you from just using Remote Desktop?

 

Why not just use the computer you are "remoting to" and dump the RT altogether?



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Posted 02 November 2013 - 06:34

I think they just need to open up the platform and allow devs to compile for arm and install desktop apps normally just as they do on x86.  It has a desktop, there's no reason it can't run desktop apps.  Especially stuff made with .net.  I don't expect it to run Crysis, but it'd be nice to be able to use ComicRack or Paint.net.

 

If it never looked as if Intel was ever going to get x86 to be as power efficient, well performing, and cheap as ARM in the next 1-2 years, you'd have a great point.

 

I don't believe that the extremetech.com article is biased towards Intel over ARM though. Inexpensive Windows 8 x86 tablets are available now, and will soon be in wide variety. Same or better battery life, same performance (a little weaker on graphics, but you'll be fine with ComicRack or Paint.net). Why move everything to ARM when x86 can do it just as good, and already supports everything?



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Posted 02 November 2013 - 06:38

Why not just use the computer you are "remoting to" and dump the RT altogether?

 

I... think you just missed the point of remote desktop. The point of remote desktop is to access things (apps, documents, etc) on-demand, not at your desktop PC. The RT is as suitable as any other thin client for that.



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Posted 02 November 2013 - 06:45

I... think you just missed the point of remote desktop. The point of remote desktop is to access things (apps, documents, etc) on-demand, not at your desktop PC. The RT is as suitable as any other thin client for that.

 

So, you would rather use a tablet, with its inferior screen and input methods, instead of walking over to the desktop and using the app properly with a keyboard/mouse and large high res screen?



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Posted 02 November 2013 - 07:15

So, you would rather use a tablet, with its inferior screen and input methods, instead of walking over to the desktop and using the app properly with a keyboard/mouse and large high res screen?

 

If you were next to your desktop PC, then yes. But the reason you're using Remote Desktop is because you're remote, as in not next to the desktop. in that case, yeah, the RT can act as a suitable thin client.



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Posted 02 November 2013 - 07:19

If it never looked as if Intel was ever going to get x86 to be as power efficient, well performing, and cheap as ARM in the next 1-2 years, you'd have a great point.

 

I don't believe that the extremetech.com article is biased towards Intel over ARM though. Inexpensive Windows 8 x86 tablets are available now, and will soon be in wide variety. Same or better battery life, same performance (a little weaker on graphics, but you'll be fine with ComicRack or Paint.net). Why move everything to ARM when x86 can do it just as good, and already supports everything?

 

That would be an option if I wasn't so fixated on getting a Surface.  I may end up getting a cheap x86 tablet at some point anyway, but if I do then I will lament that I couldn't get the tablet I really wanted.



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Posted 02 November 2013 - 07:58

That would be an option if I wasn't so fixated on getting a Surface.  I may end up getting a cheap x86 tablet at some point anyway, but if I do then I will lament that I couldn't get the tablet I really wanted.

 

I totally understand that. There will be a Microsoft built x86 tablet with Bay Trail by next Christmas at the very latest (even if they just let their new Nokia purchase pick it up). Still, if I was in the market and really was fixated on the Surface, I couldn't wait that long, (even though it'll probably actually be by this spring).



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Posted 03 November 2013 - 04:19

So, you would rather use a tablet, with its inferior screen and input methods, instead of walking over to the desktop and using the app properly with a keyboard/mouse and large high res screen?

Some people leave their desktops in the basement, go out into the real world, and use their computers there.  In those instances, remote desktop becomes handy to access resources only available on their desktop. This is true for x86 / ARM.



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Posted 03 November 2013 - 04:22

LOL most of us have moved out of our parents' basement.



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Posted 03 November 2013 - 04:26

So, you would rather use a tablet, with its inferior screen and input methods, instead of walking over to the desktop and using the app properly with a keyboard/mouse and large high res screen?

I do so daily. I also connect with the Team Viewer app from my phone.

 

These two cases are why Windows Phone and Windows 8 are important for Microsoft, people don't sit in front of desktops anymore like they used to. They don't want to be tied to that anymore.