General IE11 complaint thread


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So, I have had some debate with developers on Neowin in the news comments about how poorly many sites work in IE11 and why. From a laymen's and pragmatic point of view, I find it incredibly hard to believe that Microsoft is doing everything right with their browser given that so many sites simply do not function or require an obscene amount of troubleshooting to get working. People I have chatted with tell me that developers are still writing code for specific versions of IE. While this may make sense in the past where, as I understood it at the time, it was pretty much necessary, it just doesn't fly with me that even now so many high profile developers are doing this and very clearly breaking their sites for what is a modern browser, not an old, obsolete one.

 

Instead of going on and on ranting, I would like to create this thread to perhaps shed some light with specific examples and hear reasons why these sites aren't working.

 

For instance, the brand new AMD.com site does not work with IE11.

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Is someone going to tell me that their developers are really writing code specifically for IE10 or 9 when 11 is out in consumer hands?

 

I don't think I have to mention how retarded it is that Neowin still doesn't work right with replies. (I understand it's a larger IPB issue or whatever but it should work and it's somebodies fault that it doesn't).

 

I'm haven't even mentioning here other small quirks that just irritate me. Like how slow and choppy it is moving tabs around from one IE window to another. Or sometimes you have to move your cursor off the "new tab" button then back to get it to register your click. Or when you're closing out multiple tabs, the behavior should be to not automatically readjust the tab width until you've moved your cursor off the tabs.

 

Anyway, I hope the goal of this thread hasn't been overshadowed by grief. I would like to know what's going on here and who we should all be pi**ed at.

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Here is just a few at the moment

 

My bank website is having issues saying javascript is disabled -thanks Microsoft.

 

Certain things in Neowin don't work like copy and paste. When I highlight text and click on the font the text becomes unhighlighted making it not possible to enlarge or change the font. Emoticons go to the place where you want them to go

 

Gmail takes unusually long to load

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Right, so let's say I'm having a problem with a site because supposedly it is using code specific to a previous version of IE. I would think setting it to compatibility mode would get the site to render properly using compatible code but more often than not, quite literally, the site will complain that you are now using an old browser and need to upgrade. Seriously, f**k you, whoever is responsible for this cluster.

 

 

Here is just a few at the moment

 

My bank website is having issues saying javascript is disabled -thanks Microsoft.

 

Certain things in Neowin don't work like copy and paste. When I highlight text and click on the font the text becomes unhighlighted making it not possible to enlarge or change the font. Emoticons go to the place where you want them to go

 

Gmail takes unusually long to load

 

That reminds me about my bank site as well. It works for the most part but the formatting of the table that shows recent transactions is all messed up. Compatibility mode breaks the site completely.

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Looks like it is AMD.com fault, they have a bunch JS errors on IE11 mode that I think are ######ing with the slider.

 

They are also using webforms probably because the cms is adobe business catalyst but come on!! do people still use that ######?!....

 

Anyway a quick look at the homepage source code clearly shows that the site is a mess with all sort of legacy code in there and did I mention they are using webforms :laugh:

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Looks like it is AMD.com fault, they have a bunch JS errors on IE11 mode that I think are ****ing with the slider.

 

They are also using webforms probably because the cms is adobe business catalyst but come on!! do people still use that ****?!....

 

Anyway a quick look at the homepage source code clearly shows that the site is a mess with all sort of legacy code in there and did I mention they are using webforms :laugh:

Thank you for your input that's exactly what I'm looking for - some freakin' answers!

 

I still am a little confused though. Why does Chrome display the site just fine? Is IE just not as resilient as other browsers?

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Thank you for your input that's exactly what I'm looking for - some freakin' answers!

 

I still am a little confused though. Why does Chrome display the site just fine? Is IE just not as resilient as other browsers?

 

yet, I get the opposite at times, I get Chrome choke on JS errors that IE doesn't choke on...

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Thank you for your input that's exactly what I'm looking for - some freakin' answers!

 

I still am a little confused though. Why does Chrome display the site just fine? Is IE just not as resilient as other browsers?

the problem is the way the legacy code detects the agent script of IE 11 (aka just that it's IE then loads all the element breaking legacy code to display even though it can't)

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So are we basically getting at the conclusion that developers right now are largely uneducated for the new generation of web? I mean they may as well be people in their 30s who haven't bothered to keep up on learning how web is changing. It would be like me, who learned HTML[1] years ago, try to make a new site for AMD without using any streamlined methods available today.

 

Am I wrong here?

I'm thinking if this is what the state of web development is now, I may relearn and go more in depth to developing to fill this void.

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So are we basically getting at the conclusion that developers right now are largely uneducated for the new generation of web? I mean they may as well be people in their 30s who haven't bothered to keep up on learning how web is changing. It would be like me, who learned HTML[1] years ago, try to make a new site for AMD without using any streamlined methods available today.

 

Am I wrong here?

I'm thinking if this is what the state of web developing is now, I may relearn and go more in depth to developing to fill this void.

it's more web devs are just being lazy/stubbern not wanting to learn the correct methods that are accepted as standards

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To address the part about Google Mail taking a long time to load - this is a known issue. Firefox is a little bit quicker but the only browser that it works fast in is Chrome.

If you're going to make a judgement about IE's speed then it's best to avoid Google products as it's in Google's interest to promote their own browser.

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To address the part about Google Mail taking a long time to load - this is a known issue. Firefox is a little bit quicker but the only browser that it works fast in is Chrome.

If you're going to make a judgement about IE's speed then it's best to avoid Google products as it's in Google's interest to promote their own browser.

 

Gmail loaded quickly in IE10, now it loads very slowly in IE11, therefore it is in fact an issue with IE11. It is not just on one Windows 8.1 pc, but two. Gmail loads perfectly fast and fine in IE10 in Windows 7 also.

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Gmail loaded quickly in IE10, now it loads very slowly in IE11, therefore it is in fact an issue with IE11. It is not just on one Windows 8.1 pc, but two. Gmail loads perfectly fast and fine in IE10 in Windows 7 also.

It's situations just like this that cause me confusion. It just doesn't make sense. The argument I hear in cases like this are that Google would be using code that looks for a specific version of IE but are we now going to assume Google has retarded developers or is it something with IE that makes it so hard to work between versions?

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That's because the code that breaks the website in IE isn't send to you when you're using Chrome. UAS spoofing has been a bad idea for a while.

Thank you for your input that's exactly what I'm looking for - some freakin' answers!

 

I still am a little confused though. Why does Chrome display the site just fine? Is IE just not as resilient as other browsers?

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It stinks that in Windows 8.1, there is no way to return to IE10 without reinstalling Windows 8. I don't think Google is purposely causing problems with IE to use their browser. I might just complain to Microsoft for all the issues I am having with IE11.

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That's because the code that breaks the website in IE isn't send to you when you're using Chrome. UAS spoofing has been a bad idea for a while.

What I'm getting at is why can't they simply send standard code that all modern browsers can handle? Why essentially make three different sites to maintain when what I'm hearing is that's not necessary anymore since IE supposedly got their act together? Especially in a case with IE11. If the site specifically supports IE10, why not send standard code that works in Chrome to IE11?

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So, I have had some debate with developers on Neowin in the news comments about how poorly many sites work in IE11 and why. From a laymen's and pragmatic point of view, I find it incredibly hard to believe that Microsoft is doing everything right with their browser given that so many sites simply do not function or require an obscene amount of troubleshooting to get working. People I have chatted with tell me that developers are still writing code for specific versions of IE. While this may make sense in the past where, as I understood it at the time, it was pretty much necessary, it just doesn't fly with me that even now so many high profile developers are doing this and very clearly breaking their sites for what is a modern browser, not an old, obsolete one.

 

Instead of going on and on ranting, I would like to create this thread to perhaps shed some light with specific examples and hear reasons why these sites aren't working.

 

For instance, the brand new AMD.com site does not work with IE11.

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Is someone going to tell me that their developers are really writing code specifically for IE10 or 9 when 11 is out in consumer hands?

 

 

IE 11 is only "out in consumer hands" for people who've upgraded to 8.1. For folks like me who are sticking with Windows 7, IE11 is a buggy preview at best. I'm just saying to blanket say IE11 is "out in consumer hands" is misleading, IMHO.

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It is probably just laziness honestly since IE9 and up, IE can handle standard code just fine. IE8 is another story but you can gracefully degrade. IE7 and IE6 are pretty much dead so don't need to bother with those for a consumer website.

 

What I'm getting at is why can't they simply send standard code that all modern browsers can handle? Why essentially make three different sites to maintain when what I'm hearing is that's not necessary anymore since IE supposedly got their act together? Especially in a case with IE11. If the site specifically supports IE10, why not send standard code that works in Chrome to IE11?

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I have some issues with sites either not rendering or just failing to load all content in IE11. Ironically, some of those sites are Microsoft's that fail on occasion (MSDN software library, Skydrive -> Office documents, TechNet forum resources).

A lot of the issues appear to be JavaScript or JavaScript frame work related.

Oh, most forum editors go nuts for no reason (Neowin included)

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Comprehensive IE11 Changelog:

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ieinternals/archive/2013/09/24/internet-explorer-11-changelist-change-log.aspx

 

Stuff which IE11 in Windows 7 does not have:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/dn394063(v=vs.85).aspx#unsupported_features

 

Also I like to mention that Microsoft do fix bugs in IE in point releases as well, so we can see fixes from them shortly.

See this article where in 9.0.2 release, MS fixed few issues which affect web compatibility: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ieinternals/archive/2011/08/12/internet-explorer-9.0.2-update-changes-file-protocol-and-cookie-naming.aspx

 

Microsoft cumulative updates accommodate both fixes + security fixes.

 

For IE11 scrolling, startup and responsiveness are on par than Chromium 32 snapshots and Firefox Nightly 28 but addons and other stuff is keeping away from IE11. Internet Explorer after version 9 is evolving remarkably.

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What I'm getting at is why can't they simply send standard code that all modern browsers can handle? Why essentially make three different sites to maintain when what I'm hearing is that's not necessary anymore since IE supposedly got their act together? Especially in a case with IE11. If the site specifically supports IE10, why not send standard code that works in Chrome to IE11?

They will send standard code that all modern browsers can handle. The problem is that old versions of IE are still prolific enough that you have to support them as well (IE10 was the first version that could actually be considered modern IMHO). In order to support these old browsers web developers need to serve alternate code or scripts, or serve "polyfills" for missing browser features. Problem is that a lot of developers do this via user-agent sniffing (which is unreliable at best) rather than using feature detection (not perfect but far more reliable and future proof). Having said this, I'm not sure if all the problems with IE11 are down to developers. IE10 doesn't need any of those "fixes" either and that didn't have any of these problems.

My main complaint with IE is that it still feels like an old browser in some ways. While the speed and standards are there, Microsoft really need to get the features of the browser up to date. It is mostly the little things like "close tabs to the right", better flowing/more easily accessible favourites/history systems, better add-on support, etc.

Don't get me wrong, it is a great browser and now my default. But sometimes it makes me groan at how little it has evolved beyond standards and performance.

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Maybe not exactly in line with this topic as I'm sure most of you are using IE11 on Windows 8. 

 

From the little while I tried IE11 on Windows 7, it worked pretty good until that update from MS last month, then all it ever did was crash! Uninstalled immediately and will wait for final version for Windows 7 before trying that thing again! :x

 

IE11 sucked big time on this site with copy & paste, as already mentioned and sucked on a few other sites also.

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  • 3 weeks later...

Internet Explorer 11 just installed on Windows 7 when I turned my computer on and good grief my graphics drivers began crashing then recovering and I had to revert back to IE10!

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