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#16 Torolol

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 13:26

actually pushing Office for non-microsoft products would mean to return to golden day bussines model, where  Microsoft Office was also made for Mac alongside the PC.




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Posted 08 November 2013 - 13:26

In your opinion, maybe, but many people I know that aren't glued to Google by Android use it.

Some people do use it.. but not really that many.. Here is a poll from this site.. which mostly are hardcore Microsoft fans..

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 13:28

supposes Elop will sell xbox division, who would buy it?

 

Nintendo..  lol :D

 

Actually, not sure if anyone could..



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 13:29

Bing should definitely be killed off. It's been a failure from the start.

 

There's a lot of positives in branching off Xbox into it's own business but also creates a lot of uncertainties. Right now a lot of suits who don't care about the games industry are in charge of it which isn't healthy or good for the long term outlook.

 

I use bing more than google and my biggest fear is that the spinoff would go to EA if Xbox were indeed spun off / sold..



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 13:32

Bing should definitely be killed off. It's been a failure from the start.

 

There's a lot of positives in branching off Xbox into it's own business but also creates a lot of uncertainties. Right now a lot of suits who don't care about the games industry are in charge of it which isn't healthy or good for the long term outlook.

Hardly a failure. I know many that use it, and it's our default search engine at work. 



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 13:33

The Xbox division hasn't been profitable for Microsoft, while its online services division (which includes Bing) continues to lose billions of dollars. Sony actually fared worse with the PlayStation 3, which highlights how competitive the market is. Microsoft would be better off selling the Xbox division and focusing on supporting third parties with open platform games machines, like Valve is doing with Steam Machines. Don't forget that the Xbox was originally intended to be a Windows based DirectX gaming console and being open platform would have been much more in-line with Microsoft's traditional business model.

 

Spinning off the Xbox division, killing off Bing and pushing Office onto iOS and Android would be a bold move for Microsoft but one that could greatly benefit the company. I wasn't convinced about Elop before but he is shaping up to be the sort of radical CEO that Microsoft needs.

Microsoft may have lost a lot of money with Bing and other online services but that may change in the future. Windows 8.1 has better Bing integration and the Xbox One is a great opportunity for Microsoft to push Bing. Also, Office 365 was recently updated to better-compete with Google's offerings. If Bing dies, then nothing can stand in the way of Google when it comes to search.



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 13:37

If anything should be spun off, it should be bing, but even that, that wouldn't make sense at this point in time. 

 

Xbox is part of the 3 screen initiative and i don't think Bill Gates would let that walk out.

 

With that said, it would be a sad day for the internet for google to be the only search left.. 

The xbox one is a great part of the TV portion of the 3-screen initiative, but the Apple TV absolutely kills it in terms of everything not gamer related. Sure the IR blaster and HDMI in are cool, but not $500 + XBL cool. Meanwhile the Apple TV connects to everyone's iPhone and costs $100. I don't know that Microsoft should sell their xbox business, but they desperately need a $100 top set box to compete with Apple.



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 13:37

Maybe if search companies would learn why Google is such a success.  I do not care about news articles when I want to search.  I do not care about having fancy designs.  I use google because it is a white page, with a text box (and their logo of course).  



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 13:38

I wouldn't sell xbox just yet though.. it's has a lot of marketshare.. and sometimes that is more important than profit.. they make up for it in other areas. 

That's true, though Microsoft runs the risk of losing money like Sony did with the PS3 or Nintendo is doing with the Wii U. While the Xbox division isn't currently hurting Microsoft that could change very quickly. The Xbox One is unproven and information so far seems to indicate that it is less powerful than the PS4 while costing significantly more - it could be that Microsoft and Sony swap positions for the next generation.

 

Also, if Google was to make a push into the living room with Android gaming devices that are updated yearly then traditional consoles would be hard pushed to compete and Valve is already doing that with Steam Machines, which will support 4K gaming and are upgradeable. If Microsoft is going to sell the Xbox division it would be best doing it sooner rather than later.

 

supposes Elop will sell xbox division, who would buy it?

Apple, Google, private equity firms, etc.



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 13:40

Some people do use it.. but not really that many.. Here is a poll from this site.. which mostly are hardcore Microsoft fans..

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Maybe that just means that Neowin isn't only a hardcore Microsoft site? ;)



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 13:43

trust me, Microsoft is not really interested in the search business. who cares if bing loses money, it serves one purpose and one purpose only, to hurt google. every tiny piece of share bing gains, google as a company takes a hit. I don't believe any candidate who is such short sighted would even make the shortlist, therefore I believe these rumors to be false.

and its just so convenient all these guys are coming out of the woodworks 2 weeks before the xbox one launch to spread fear, uncertainty and doubt. bravo. golf clap.

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 13:49

Bing should definitely be killed off. It's been a failure from the start.

 

There's a lot of positives in branching off Xbox into it's own business but also creates a lot of uncertainties. Right now a lot of suits who don't care about the games industry are in charge of it which isn't healthy or good for the long term outlook.

 

Yup.

 

Killing the Xbox business would be terrible, a gaming industry without competition is scary. What needs to be done at MS is the Xbox gaming division suits completely gutted, bunch of idiots running the place considering the Xbox One's birth to the world - At least a decent amount of 180's have been done. The people in charge need to at least have some sort of interest in gaming and not just driving humvee's and shouting "America **** yeah".

 

If Sony can launch a PS3 which completely wiped out PS2 profits, and still continue on so can MS.



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 13:50

Microsoft may have lost a lot of money with Bing and other online services but that may change in the future. Windows 8.1 has better Bing integration and the Xbox One is a great opportunity for Microsoft to push Bing. Also, Office 365 was recently updated to better-compete with Google's offerings. If Bing dies, then nothing can stand in the way of Google when it comes to search.

The problem is that most of the success for Bing has been bought rather than earned, with Microsoft losing billions of dollars while Google continues to make billions of dollars. It remains to be seen whether Bing can maintain that market share when Microsoft stops subsidising it. Most of the Windows 8.1 integration relates to Metro which has proven less than successful on the desktop, while web browsing on the Xbox One simply isn't a primary function.

 

However, your concern for what will happen if Bing were to disappear is well-founded. It is not good for consumers for Google to have complete dominance of the search market. Then again, is Microsoft really the company that we want as the alternative? Microsoft has a history of anti-competitive behaviour and has been fined numerous times for abusing its market position. What we need is a disruptive entity, much like Facebook was to MySpace. We need a rival upstart company that offers a better service, rather than a multibillion dollar corporation simply buying its way to market share.



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 14:26

Seems like a very nearsighted approach to a company that traditionally looks quite a ways in the future when making its decisions.  Microsoft knew Xbox wouldn't be a success in 2001, but they still went for it and they've practically built an empire out of it whether or not its profitable - it's a common brand name that people don't immediately associate poorly with and that's good for Microsoft.  Bing is gaining popularity as well and it's clearly part of their long-term plans with the integration into their other services.

 

This is an interesting stance coming from a guy who just sold part of his own company (Nokia devices) to Microsoft - a part Microsoft has traditionally not done well in (phone hardware).



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 14:39

The problem is that most of the success for Bing has been bought rather than earned, with Microsoft losing billions of dollars while Google continues to make billions of dollars. It remains to be seen whether Bing can maintain that market share when Microsoft stops subsidising it. Most of the Windows 8.1 integration relates to Metro which has proven less than successful on the desktop, while web browsing on the Xbox One simply isn't a primary function.

 

However, your concern for what will happen if Bing were to disappear is well-founded. It is not good for consumers for Google to have complete dominance of the search market. Then again, is Microsoft really the company that we want as the alternative? Microsoft has a history of anti-competitive behaviour and has been fined numerous times for abusing its market position. What we need is a disruptive entity, much like Facebook was to MySpace. We need a rival upstart company that offers a better service, rather than a multibillion dollar corporation simply buying its way to market share.

 

 

After the re-org Bing is now in a profitable division and it shows Microsoft has trust in it.

 

Also, bing isn't stand alone - the same technology they use to engineer bing at scale is the same technology they use to engineer Windows 2012 R2, HyperV, Windows Azure and all of their cloud services.

 

By your own logic, Amazon should get rid of AWS because they're not making money hand over fist and they should shut their doors because they're still taking losses or razor thin profits on their core business - yet the market still cheerleads Amazon