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#1 +RageOfFury

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 04:24

 

 

7. Resale
7.1. You must not resell either Disc-based Software or Software Downloads, unless expressly authorised by us and, if the publisher is another company, additionally by the publisher.

 

Link to TOS: http://legaldoc.dl.p...e_tosua_en.html

 

Now by "Software" do they mean games?




#2 trooper11

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 04:35

Hmm, that is strange. Games certainly are considered software.

 

It does say that you cant do it with out their permission but haven't they given that permission?

 

I mean what constitutes permission?

 

TOS listings are always confusing.  I cant believe it means what it seems to be implying.  I mean not only would you need Sony's permission for Sony titles, but even if its a third party, you need their permission and Sony's.

 

Maybe this is about retail reselling.



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 04:47

How would one sell downloaded games?



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 04:48

Grain of salt people, there is no Playstation.net and it's Pegi Eu stuff.



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 04:49

How would one sell downloaded games?

 

 

I suppose you could sell the codes for dlc sold that way.

 

Grain of salt people, there is no Playstation.net

 

 

Ah, so its a fake then?  Well that ends that.



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 04:49

Maybe this is about retail reselling.

 

I'd like to think so, but why wouldn't it already be in there for older TOS?

 

Even more odd is that it's legal BY LAW in Europe (where this TOS applies) to resell digital licenses.



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 04:53

Derp, had a look back at the FAQ sony released earlier:

 

http://blog.us.plays...-america/#sect3

 

 
Does PS4 support used games?

Yes, similar to the PS3 system today, PS4 will not restrict players from playing disc-based used games. When a gamer buys a PS4 disc, they have right to use that copy of the game, so they can trade-in the game at retail, sell it to another person, lend it to a friend, or keep it forever. Furthermore, users will not have to go through activation steps or be charged usage fees when playing used disc-based games on their PS4 system.

Will any PS4 titles use an Online Pass?

First-party titles on PS4 (titles developed by Sony Computer Entertainment) will not use an Online Pass program. When it comes to third-party titles, PlayStation won’t dictate the strategy of publishers concerning Online Pass programs. However, most third parties have phased out the use of Online Pass systems, so they’re unlikely to appear on PS4.

Can PS4 customers lend and borrow games?

Yes, they can lend and borrow disc-based games without restriction.

Can PS4 customers trade and sell games?

Yes, they can trade and sell disc-based games freely.

 

 



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 04:53

I suppose you could sell the codes for dlc sold that way.

 

 

 

Ah, so its a fake then?  Well that ends that.

Well i'm finding ToS on their .com domain, if it is real this is their most up to date .net link http://legaldoc.dl.p...u_tosua_en.html



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 04:54

It's a valid PlayStation website. This may only apply to Europe, but it's odd nonetheless.



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 04:58

Well i'm finding ToS on their .com domain

 

http://uk.playstatio...rms-of-Service/

 

Which points to the link in the OP



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 05:01

Yeah, take this with a huge grain of salt if anything. It also says that you cannot "broadcast it", which would defeat the whole point of the system's share button.

 

I'd say it'd be worth hitting Sony up for clarity, but overall, I'm pretty sure it's nothing. Maybe if someone tweets it to Yoshida, we can get a clear-cut reply?



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 05:08

http://uk.playstatio...rms-of-Service/

 

Which points to the link in the OP

 

Weird I'm not seeing the resale clause in the other link, it might just be for the UK ATM or a huge error.



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 05:09

nevermind, misread it.



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 06:37

I thought SONY would allow used disc-based games. Do i remember wrong?



#15 trooper11

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 06:43

I thought SONY would allow used disc-based games. Do i remember wrong?

 

 

No you remember correctly.

 

Maybe this was posted in error and that TOS was actually drawn up a while back, but has now been revised.

 

There have been rumors that Sony had been considering some sort of drm scheme that might have been similar to MS' but changed those plans partially after seeing the reaction to MS' plans.  If that was true at all, maybe this is an old TOS that reflected whatever system they had in mind.

 

Or maybe this is just some sort of typo in the TOS.





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