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7. Resale
7.1. You must not resell either Disc-based Software or Software Downloads, unless expressly authorised by us and, if the publisher is another company, additionally by the publisher.

 

Link to TOS: http://legaldoc.dl.playstation.net/ps3-eula/psn/e/e_tosua_en.html

 

Now by "Software" do they mean games?

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Hmm, that is strange. Games certainly are considered software.

 

It does say that you cant do it with out their permission but haven't they given that permission?

 

I mean what constitutes permission?

 

TOS listings are always confusing.  I cant believe it means what it seems to be implying.  I mean not only would you need Sony's permission for Sony titles, but even if its a third party, you need their permission and Sony's.

 

Maybe this is about retail reselling.

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How would one sell downloaded games?

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Grain of salt people, there is no Playstation.net and it's Pegi Eu stuff.

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How would one sell downloaded games?

 

 

I suppose you could sell the codes for dlc sold that way.

 

Grain of salt people, there is no Playstation.net

 

 

Ah, so its a fake then?  Well that ends that.

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Maybe this is about retail reselling.

 

I'd like to think so, but why wouldn't it already be in there for older TOS?

 

Even more odd is that it's legal BY LAW in Europe (where this TOS applies) to resell digital licenses.

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Derp, had a look back at the FAQ sony released earlier:

 

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/10/30/ps4-the-ultimate-faq-north-america/#sect3

 

 
Does PS4 support used games?

Yes, similar to the PS3 system today, PS4 will not restrict players from playing disc-based used games. When a gamer buys a PS4 disc, they have right to use that copy of the game, so they can trade-in the game at retail, sell it to another person, lend it to a friend, or keep it forever. Furthermore, users will not have to go through activation steps or be charged usage fees when playing used disc-based games on their PS4 system.

Will any PS4 titles use an Online Pass?

First-party titles on PS4 (titles developed by Sony Computer Entertainment) will not use an Online Pass program. When it comes to third-party titles, PlayStation won

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I suppose you could sell the codes for dlc sold that way.

 

 

 

Ah, so its a fake then?  Well that ends that.

Well i'm finding ToS on their .com domain, if it is real this is their most up to date .net link http://legaldoc.dl.playstation.net/ps3-eula/psn/u/u_tosua_en.html

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It's a valid PlayStation website. This may only apply to Europe, but it's odd nonetheless.

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Yeah, take this with a huge grain of salt if anything. It also says that you cannot "broadcast it", which would defeat the whole point of the system's share button.

 

I'd say it'd be worth hitting Sony up for clarity, but overall, I'm pretty sure it's nothing. Maybe if someone tweets it to Yoshida, we can get a clear-cut reply?

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nevermind, misread it.

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I thought SONY would allow used disc-based games. Do i remember wrong?

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I thought SONY would allow used disc-based games. Do i remember wrong?

 

 

No you remember correctly.

 

Maybe this was posted in error and that TOS was actually drawn up a while back, but has now been revised.

 

There have been rumors that Sony had been considering some sort of drm scheme that might have been similar to MS' but changed those plans partially after seeing the reaction to MS' plans.  If that was true at all, maybe this is an old TOS that reflected whatever system they had in mind.

 

Or maybe this is just some sort of typo in the TOS.

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This is in the PS3 TOS as well.

 

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Also, sony already gave permission at E3.   Their thing clearly states unless given express permission, which they already have done.

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Also, sony already gave permission at E3.   Their thing clearly states unless given express permission, which they already have done.

 

And if you need any more proof - https://twitter.com/yosp/status/399616172033069057

 

Best thing to come out of this is being able to read the comments section on the front page of Neowin. The title is the best "Sony to disallow resell or renting of PlayStation games after initially supporting it". Posted like a well researched fact.

 

And for even more giggles, this is on the back of the Motorstorm (and every other EU) PS3 game - Motorstorm was like a launch PS3 games http://i.imgur.com/195kpZB.jpg

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Yeah, this is pretty much a non-issue. It was in the PS3 TOS, and Sony has been crystal clear since E3 to now that you can sell and trade your games.

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Yeah, definitely a non-issue.

 

Move along people.

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This is in the PS3 TOS as well.

 

 

 

 

 

http://legaldoc.dl.playstation.net/ps3-eula/psn/e/e_tosua_en.html

according to Neobond, those were updated recently too. Those terms were different in last month. He linked to this on front page.

 

This may mean that they were thinking of banning used games but reversed course but the lawyers forgot to update ToS.

 

Or the more likely scenario of them covering the "you don't own, only license" scene - more common with software.

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This is in the PS3 TOS as well.

 

 

 

 

 

http://legaldoc.dl.playstation.net/ps3-eula/psn/e/e_tosua_en.html

 

That's the same file.

 

To be honest, what I'm thinking this pertains to is to buy a disc, burn copies and sell those.  It says you cannot resell your game without express permission -- but in the E3 video, E3 presentation, and in the recently released FAQ, they give express permission.

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This whole thread is overruled by Sony's official FAQ!

"Does PS4 support used games?

Yes, similar to the PS3 system today, PS4 will not restrict players from playing disc-based used games. When a gamer buys a PS4 disc, they have right to use that copy of the game, so they can trade-in the game at retail, sell it to another person, lend it to a friend, or keep it forever. Furthermore, users will not have to go through activation steps or be charged usage fees when playing used disc-based games on their PS4 system.

Will any PS4 titles use an Online Pass?

First-party titles on PS4 (titles developed by Sony Computer Entertainment) will not use an Online Pass program. When it comes to third-party titles, PlayStation won

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The best thing is, is wait till the release days of each system and see where the dice lay. I'm not on the market nor inclined to purchase any new console. At my age, I'm no longer into being up with the latest and greatest. 

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It just defines the default situation as "no selling unless authorized", which is seems like it is, at least as far as SONY is concerned, as opposed to "can sell unless specifically prohibited". The publisher part is trickier, but I don't think they would want all of the bad blood that comes with a absolutely no resell situation.

 

And I'm still buying a PS4.

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