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DDR4 Memory Will Be Released By Next Month

 

It seems that DDR4 isn

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Niceee! Its evolution baby

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In absense of response from either Intel or AMD or anyone else, in fact, memory chip makers have made a full house of overstock and nowhere to put it, while distributors are shamelessly jacking up prices of DDR3. Most motherboard manufacturers can't do anything about it anymore since memory controllers are now built into processors.

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In absense of response from either Intel or AMD or anyone else, in fact, memory chip makers have made a full house of overstock and nowhere to put it, while distributors are shamelessly jacking up prices of DDR3. Most motherboard manufacturers can't do anything about it anymore since memory controllers are now built into processors.

what's.... your point? :huh:

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The first DDR4 module was produced in 2011 by Samsung and the plan was to ship computers with DDR4 much sooner, perhaps it would have been adopted sooner by some motherboard manifacturer as no CPU will officially support it before next year.

 

what's.... your point? :huh:

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Hello,

And I just bought a new PC for work :( This sucks.

Oh well, at least the RAM was already bought so I couldnt do anything about it either way....

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Of course DDR4 has a different architecture, meaning we are going to need a different motherboard, we can

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Hello,

And I just bought a new PC for work :( This sucks.

Oh well, at least the RAM was already bought so I couldnt do anything about it either way....

Don't concern yourself too much, DDR4 will be obscenely expensive upon release, and it won't be in many PC's for at least a year yet. :)

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For a long, long time now RAM neither speed-wise nor capacity-wise has not been a bottleneck for most systems and I doubt it ever will be such again.

It's either permanent storage or processing. Mostly storage.

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DDR5=2023

DDR6=2033

DDR7=2043

 

GDDR6=2014

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Hello,

And I just bought a new PC for work :( This sucks.

Oh well, at least the RAM was already bought so I couldnt do anything about it either way....

 

Don't be upset. The reason for that is because memory is a bit different than GPU's or CPU's that see a performance increase with every new release. DDR4 will offer better power consumption, and a higher minimum base clock over DDR3, but you'll in return get higher latency(which is bad). So it's essentially latency vs. bandwidth. In terms of actual real world applications and gaming performance, any performance increase you see will be negligible, and not worth the price at all.

 

Check out benchmarks results between DDR2 and DDR3. It's very very small. The same will be true of DDR4.

 

gaming_ddr2_vs_ddr3.png

 

 

 

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Besides, you would have had to wait until Q3/Q4 2014 until CPU's that supported motherboards with DDR4 were  released.

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Don't be upset. The reason for that is because memory is a bit different than GPU's or CPU's that see a performance increase with every new release. DDR4 will offer better power consumption, and a higher minimum base clock over DDR3, but you'll in return get higher latency(which is bad). So it's essentially latency vs. bandwidth. In terms of actual real world applications and gaming performance, any performance increase you see will be negligible, and not worth the price at all.

 

Check out benchmarks results between DDR2 and DDR3. It's very very small. The same will be true of DDR4.

 

gaming_ddr2_vs_ddr3.png

 

 

 

Comparison.png

 

Besides, you would have had to wait until Q3/Q4 2014 until CPU's that supported motherboards with DDR4 were  released.

I had no idea it was that small of a gain between DDR2/3.

Thanks for totally killing my DDR4 buzz :)

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I had no idea it was that small of a gain between DDR2/3.

Thanks for totally killing my DDR4 buzz :)

I would like to think that I saved you some money :p It's the same with the different clocked RAM's. There is not that much difference between PC1600 and PC2800. Your paying a premium for a few extra frames in gaming.

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I can't wait! Gimme gimme gimme

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The speed gain is for loading and windows and of course heavy ram loads with constant changes, like digital renderings etc.

The games are CPU and GPU only, of course RAM will put it playing faster, but once you are playing the fps gain on diferent rams is almost none like that graphic shows.

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For a long, long time now RAM neither speed-wise nor capacity-wise has not been a bottleneck for most systems and I doubt it ever will be such again.

It's either permanent storage or processing. Mostly storage.

 

Actually, the density has been a bottleneck. Though, I prefer constraint to bottleneck in this case. At home I will enjoy getting 32GB in 2 DIMM slots. It'll be a while before it's in Servers, but this will do wonders for Datacenter and Windows licensing.

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I always hate graphs that manufacturer's provide. They never offer real world results, and instead just use some super arbitrary scenario where they can show massive gains. Nvidia is the best example of this, with every new driver they claim "80% better performance," if that was the case then I should be getting like 500 fps in games by now.

Will DDR4 be an improvement? Of course, but I highly highly doubt computers are suddenly going to become twice as fast because Crucial told us it will.

 

The memory might bet 80% better, there's going to be major improvement based on clock alone. It won't affect game frame rate as much as it may affect quality and performance and with games going x64, who knows what devs may be able to do.

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Actually, the density has been a bottleneck. Though, I prefer constraint to bottleneck in this case. At home I will enjoy getting 32GB in 2 DIMM slots. It'll be a while before it's in Servers, but this will do wonders for Datacenter and Windows licensing.

 

How exactly you will enjoy it, I'm curious? Any kind of highly professional work, I figure. But any professional should've (and could've unless one's actually not) invested in X79 with its 51.2 GB/s quad-channel base theoretical and 64 GB total. Well then, congratulations, anyone has been able to sport 32 GB for near two years in... well, ok, four slots, albeit running much faster than two and, I bet, for the same cost.

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How exactly you will enjoy it, I'm curious? Any kind of highly professional work, I figure. But any professional should've (and could've unless one's actually not) invested in X79 with its 51.2 GB/s quad-channel base theoretical and 64 GB total. Well then, congratulations, anyone has been able to sport 32 GB for near two years in... well, ok, four slots, albeit running much faster than two and, I bet, for the same cost.

 

Density is primarily what I'm excited about, but more clock and having more memory on the same silicon can only boost performance. I don't know of any 4-slot mini-ITX. You can get full performance including full size video in a Mini-ITX with ease now, but not 4 mem slots. When it gets to servers, of course, the more memory you can get in a single VM Host, the more money you save on licensing. With VMs memory equates directly to VM performance here. 64GB is nothing in the enterprise. We're looking at Terabytes and many slots. The fewer the better.

 

I would imagine the performance boost from the clock specs on DDR4 will be much higher than moving from dual to quad channel but I have no experience with quad channel. With an 80% performance boost, and based purely on clock and density, I believe it can come close, this will provide significant performance for OS and applications.

 

DDR4 will mean we we might actually experience DDR3's theoretical top end if the numbers translate to real world performance. It's a natural and expected evolution. Once devs can assume high end gamers realistically may have 32-64GB, 32 even in a Mini-ITX, they will utilize it and with 64 bit game engines like Frostbite, I'm excited to see how. It's still a ways off, or from being mainstream affordable after that, but it's definitely a good thing.

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And I've only just bought a new motherboard and RAM... FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUU

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On the chart it shows speed for dd3 as 1066mhz... and ddr4 being 2133Mhz. The ram I have now is already 2133mhz ? Do I understand it wrong or what?

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It's actually coming out next year, they updated the article.

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I can see it now: DDR4 motherboards that cost twice as much as their DDR3 counterparts just because 4>3. I wouldn't worry too much about it. Like DDR2 before it, DDR3 will be here for a long time.

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You could spend thousands on a computer and the speed of the ram would still not be the bottleneck, so I wouldn't worry if you recently built or upgraded.

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So its probably best to wait until Black Friday 2014 to buy a new computer. :)

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