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iPhone 5S: worth the upgrade? (vs 4S)


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#46 Shadrack

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 20:01

Maybe it's (all) hardware related.... just a reset of my network (carrier) settings just bumped my battery from 76% to 70%.
And possibly in some cases I am lucky to have a full battery and on another day some sort hardware related bug/setting or background app just wipes away all battery power....

My iPhone 4S is a little more than 2 years old at the moment with daily/nightly battery charges (so around 800 charges in total).

Or am just guessing here?

 

I'm just coming into this conversation so I'm sorry if this ground has already been covered.

 

I've had issues with battery life in the past with my iPhone 4 that was really bizarre cell data usage even when I was connected to WiFi.  You can read about the problem I was experiencing in this rather long thread here: http://www.neowin.ne...er-than-normal/

 

It may give you some ideas on troubleshooting your battery life as well.

 

The main thing I'm wondering is this: Is your phone unusually warm?  If the device is hotter than normal than it is likely using more energy than normal.  That could be due to a number of things, but it may not be that the battery has gone bad.  There could be something else that is sinking the energy and heat dissipating from the device might be evidence to that.

 

If I were you I would run a reset on the device, clear everything off of it, don't add even your email connections to it.  It may not be a very useful device, but it will allow you to at the very least observe if the problem exists with the iPhone in its "most default state" or if it is brought on by a server you are connecting to or an app that you have downloaded.  I recall having issues at one point with my work's exchange server where I think it was adversely effecting my battery life.




#47 Order_66

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 20:03

I just upgraded to a note 3 but had an iPhone 4S previously, last software revision I had on it was 7.0.3 and it was smooth, had some battery issues with 7.0 for the first couple of days but that went away when I did an update to my installed apps fwiw.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 20:39

OK. And does this algorithm shut down the phone at 0% even if the battery is still charged at >0% (and technically must remain power and stay on)?

#49 shadowgmo

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 20:53

I have an iphone 4 with iOS 7, as for battery I cannot tell since I use the phone the whole day because of work related stuff.

 

As for performance/speed, it is slow compared to iOS6 (I first did an update and it was slow, after trying a clean install it was a little faster but still I don't like it).

 

The slowdown is not like I can't use the phone but you notice when opening menus, settings, apps, etc.

 

I got to use an iphone 5 yesterday with iOS7 and it was pretty good, no slowdown or anything.



#50 Hardcore Til I Die

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 21:02

How is the difference in battery life? I mean, nowadays at the end of the day with my 4S I have like 3-5% (in some cases 10%) battery left. Whereas this has been 30+%.
And is it (noticeably) faster?

 

My fiancee has my old iPhone 5, which I gave her when I upgraded to the 5s. We went out for a run the other day and we use our phones to track the runs. During the run, her phone lost 12% and mine lost 3%. I think this is because of the M7 motion co-processor, which seems to drastically improve battery life.

 

I've used my phone heavily today and I still have 38% left. Took it off charge at 7am and it's now 9pm. GPS tracking, few calls, some texts, playing games, lots of browsing. 



#51 Shadrack

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 21:06

OK. And does this algorithm shut down the phone at 0% even if the battery is still charged at >0% (and technically must remain power and stay on)?

 

Running your battery all the way down to 0% may permanently damage the battery.  The no-no's to lithium ion batteries:

 

* Do not charge the battery in hot weather.  For example, charging the battery in a hot car on a summer day will most likely damage the battery permanently.

* Do not ever discharge the battery to 0% charge.  There should be safety mechanisms built into the battery that shut off the power output from the battery when it is really low (say 2% or something)... still, it will continue to discharge some just by sitting there.  If ever you need to store a battery for an extended period of time its always to have something just over 50% (based on what I've read).

 

I don't believe "deep-cycling" lithium ion batteries does much except perhaps reset the charge level indicator....  I've read many articles from lithium ion battery experts that claim that this deep-cycling that a lot of folks suggest is a relic from old Nickel Cadmium rechargeable batteries.



#52 Shadrack

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 21:08

My fiancee has my old iPhone 5, which I gave her when I upgraded to the 5s. We went out for a run the other day and we use our phones to track the runs. During the run, her phone lost 12% and mine lost 3%. I think this is because of the M7 motion co-processor, which seems to drastically improve battery life.

 

I've used my phone heavily today and I still have 38% left. Took it off charge at 7am and it's now 9pm. GPS tracking, few calls, some texts, playing games, lots of browsing. 

 

This is pretty consistent with my usage on the 5 and my Wife's experiences with her 5S.  On a typical light day of usage, we are both around 60% by the time it lands back on the charger in the evening.  Light GPS usage can bring it down to about 20% by the end of the day.  If I need to use the GPS heavily throughout a day (like when I'm on travel), I must re-charge the phone sometime during the day.



#53 OP kiddingguy

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 21:34

Kinda looks like my battery is, despite the findings of Apple, somewhat damaged because it runs - at least now - very few times to 0% and turns itself off. Plus the fast drop in battery power.

Sometimes the phone itself runs hot as well.

So all in all it might be a combination of (faulty) battery/hardware?!

Maybe it is time for a new 5S?!

#54 Shadrack

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 17:54

Kinda looks like my battery is, despite the findings of Apple, somewhat damaged because it runs - at least now - very few times to 0% and turns itself off. Plus the fast drop in battery power.

Sometimes the phone itself runs hot as well.

So all in all it might be a combination of (faulty) battery/hardware?!

Maybe it is time for a new 5S?!

 

Have you tried resetting the phone and NOT restoring from backup (using it in default configuration)?

 

If you want a 5S, get a 5S :).  It's a fine piece of hardware.  My wife loves her.  But if your problem is some software configuration issue, and you restore your new 5S using a backup from your 4S, the problem may persist even on new hardware....  She was having issues with her iPhone 4 not being able to set MY custom ringtone/texttone and the problem persisted on her 5S because she restored from her backup file (she could set other folks just fine).  Just reset the whole thing last night and the problem went away.



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 22:18

I guess it's not software/config related, because one time my phone is acting as it should and the other time it drains lik h***.
What is it?? It could be a combination of both battery w/ internal hardware of some kind?!

Anyways, it doesn't work & act to last a day or so...

#56 Dinggus

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 07:13

Have we made the decision? If you have T-Mobile it's $0 down all weekend.

 

I'm thinking about switching from AT&T, I'll have to pay the ETF which is about $300 for 2 phones. The $0 from T-Mobile is making me want to switch for sure, or I can bring my own phones and pay $100/month instead of $160/month.



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Posted 29 November 2013 - 08:15

I got the iPhone 5S.

Now without issues!

 

happy happy happy :woot:



#58 Shadrack

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 16:28

Congrats!  Hope you enjoy your new hardware.  Isn't it amazingly light compared to the 4S?



#59 Dinggus

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 16:50

I got the iPhone 5S.

Now without issues!

 

happy happy happy :woot:

 

Is it worth it? I'm stopping by T-Mobile today.



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Posted 01 December 2013 - 00:38

Is it worth it? I'm stopping by T-Mobile today.


I think so yeah!
If you own a 4S yes, iPhone 5 I don't think the premium price isn't worth the upgrade.