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#16 HawkMan

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 14:28

 

Watercooling would push the cost up, it would push up maintenance, it would push up the likelihood of things going wrong.

 

Cost and production complexity, yes. maintenance and likelyhood of failure. not so much. 




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Posted 18 November 2013 - 15:17

Actually watercooling is more about noise than it is overclocking. 

 

 

 

 

Really? I thought most of the new fans, the expensive ones, were damn-near silent & very effective at cooling in standard or "mildly" over-clocked rigs.

 

 

 

Not my area of expertise, though, so I am happily corrected :)



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:52

Cost and production complexity, yes. maintenance and likelyhood of failure. not so much.

 

Replacing a fan: simples

Replacing a watercooling block: less simples



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 10:25

There are actually fans capable of outperforming or at least giving similar performance to the integrated watercooling systems and for cheaper. so all the integrated watercooling systems aren't sold to overclockers but to people who want silent computers. overclockers don't really need watercooling either, but the noise level can be pretty unbearable for a high end overclocked system. then again, overclocking serves little purpose today, for the price of overclocking you can buy an i7. games today don't even use i5's to their capacity and won't for the foreseeable future.  so for the money you spend on overclocking gear you could just buy a faster more stable computer.  the only ones who use i7's to the max, are those who use them for workstations, they need stability not overclocks. 

 

either way the end result is that WC today is generally a noise reduction thing. had you asked 5+ years ago back when watercooling was complicated and required you to put them together yourself. then yes, back then it was an overclocker thing. not so anymore, sure they still use them, but they're outnumbered by those who just want a silent computer today. 

 

 

About 10 years ago I did watercooling for silence more than anything else - but the performance side is simply physics - water is a lot more efficient at moving heat away from things.  Cheap pre-made WC will give little tangible benefit over some heatsinks but a 'proper' WC system is far better.   I'm still doing it now and really enjoy building them from scratch.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 14:10

As a hobby, sure go ahead.

 

To improve the consoles? Not needed IMO.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 16:18

Replacing a fan: simples

Replacing a watercooling block: less simples

 

You're not supposed to do either. 

 

and if you do and it's an integrated system, simples. 



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 16:20

About 10 years ago I did watercooling for silence more than anything else - but the performance side is simply physics - water is a lot more efficient at moving heat away from things.  Cheap pre-made WC will give little tangible benefit over some heatsinks but a 'proper' WC system is far better.   I'm still doing it now and really enjoy building them from scratch.

 

Yes, for moving it away form the CPU it's better. but the heat is still there in the system, in the end you're still using a fan to get it of of the radiator :)

 

Either way, the point is, that for a console, it just ads to much cost and complexity in production, you would easily add another 50-100 to the price. 



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 16:27

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Servicing it, replacing it, and/or people drinking the water just spells expensive....

 

 

They have closed loop no-fuss,no-maintenance systems for water cooling.  If they have it for the PC, it could be done for the next gen consoles.  The biggest worry for that is the dust accumulation on the rads.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 16:44

Yes, for moving it away form the CPU it's better. but the heat is still there in the system, in the end you're still using a fan to get it of of the radiator :)

 

Either way, the point is, that for a console, it just ads to much cost and complexity in production, you would easily add another 50-100 to the price. 

 

I've got a huge radiator outside the case with a large surface area (that's another factor) and very slow (large) fans drawing air through it's core - and with water being a excellent heat conductor versus air - it's a godsend for both cooling and quietness (esp. as I've got two 670s and a CPU to cool).   It's rather brilliant too that the heat is being dumped externally - I built it with that in mind.

 

It's utterly pointless for a console yes - but then the heat that needs to be dissipated in my case is substantively larger and an air solution is stupid loud by comparison.  Whenever I test-bench a new set of cards it drives me nuts having air coolers whine away - I'm just not used to it anymore :)

 

Would I recommend WC to anyone?   Not really unless it ticks all your boxes - it's expensive (done right), has a steep learning curve, requires lots of planning and swapping things can make your break a sweat to say the least.  My last build took about a months work to finish it end to end and cost a packet.  It's worth it to me but most people can get by with air cooling (which has improved a heck of a lot in recent years).   The up sides as mentioned are much cooler components (the 670's peak at 39C), overclocking headroom, quietness and (frankly) the satisfaction of building something er.. 'cool'  :rofl:

 

But yes, my XBOne will be 'on air' this Friday  :D



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 16:48

The fully integrated kits you get today work great though, like the H70 and up(though for bigger CPU's you need 90 or 120's for quietness). downside is that fully integrated systems only do the CPU and not the GPU of course. for now anyway. and until GPU's use a standardized cooling system forever... thoguh there are graphics cards sold with built in WC.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 16:51

I wish they sold 'bare' graphics cards - I don't need the air block and the ones with WC blocks fitted are a rip-off frankly.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 16:57

I do not really think a water-cooling system is required, it will cause more issues for the companies. Also the price of manufacturing a cooling system for a world consumer trade would be ineffective in regards to manufacturing costs. Game hardware companies can hardly turn over big profits from the hardware units alone anyway. I think if you want a water cooling system then stick to using it in your pc, its more of a luxury than a commercial need.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 17:05

They'd be mad to do it - neither the PS4 or the XBOne generate enough heat to even require it in the first place and in a box I sit 10 feet away from with surround sound etc I'm not really going to hear a well engineered air cooler.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 17:21

liquid cooling is so late 1990's. I remember maximumPC magazine doing a write up on a system that came "STOCK" with a watercooling system. we were still in the single-core processors, and people were looking for ways to push every ounce of CPU power they out and yet deal with the tremendous heat issues.

 

unless you are trying to overclock the console, leave it be.



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Posted 26 November 2013 - 10:56

Hello,

They have closed loop no-fuss,no-maintenance systems for water cooling.  If they have it for the PC, it could be done for the next gen consoles.  The biggest worry for that is the dust accumulation on the rads.

Yes but usually PCs are NEVER moved or touched. Consoles can be moved, they are in cabinants, etc. Imagine if one of those tubes are damaged and/or overheated and melt. It would ruin the entire machine.

And you talk about dust accumulation. No gamer should ever have to "service" his console like a PC.