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#16 nukenorman

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 03:30

Australia has AAA credit according to all 3. USA does not have AAA credit with all 3 credit agencies.  I dont know where you get your facts but Autralia has one of the lowest debts.

http://www.politifac...obal-standards/

 

 

Anyways McDonald's is just another example of American greed. At least other countries out there pay a living wage etc.




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Posted 22 November 2013 - 03:37

Only Americans would consider it reasonable to work a full time job and still fail to make ends meet. Apparently it seem some of the more hardcore right wingers still haven't wrapped their minds around the idea that simple economies of scale dictate that there will always be more low end jobs than high end ones in a normal economy.

 

If I want a better paying job, I go get one.  I work for it.  I don't expect anything to be handed to me and yet, we should pay someone flipping burgers 20 dollars an hour when they're next to useless.  No.  No thanks.



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 03:40

I suggest Mcd00ds pays their employee's more money.

 

When they turn over billions every year in profits, then they should.

 

They made $4,900,000,000 in 2012 after running costs and taxes.

 

Or have a profit sharing scheme.

 

Some people don't have the education to get a job doing something else.

 

They may not of had the same chances as the teenies they work with or other people taking the urine out of them in this thread.

 

At least they are working and not screwing the welfare system.



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 03:42

If I want a better paying job, I go get one.  I work for it.  I don't expect anything to be handed to me and yet, we should pay someone flipping burgers 20 dollars an hour when they're next to useless.  No.  No thanks.

Who said anything about paying them 20 an hour? I guess you don't want to pay them a living wage so you dont mind them being on food stamps and government housing that YOU have to pay for. The rest of the world gets the living wage concept except Americans is so strange lol. Plus McDonalds in most other countries have to provide 6 weeks paid vacation. Not even good jobs in USA get 6 weeks 1st year.

Everyone watch this video will open your eyes.



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 03:45

Your link shows only government debt. My remark was referring to your country's total external debt compared to the US's.  And based on that Australia's per capita debt is $52,596 vs the US per capita debt of $52,170.

http://en.wikipedia....y_external_debt

 

And I do agree McDonald's needs to increase their base pay, but the belief they are only paying $7.25/hour is nonsense.



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 03:58

Who said anything about paying them 20 an hour?

 

They're already whining for $15. Give them them that and they'll be protesting for $20 by 2018.



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 04:14

They're already whining for $15. Give them them that and they'll be protesting for $20 by 2018.

Dude even 12 bucks an hour would be fine. They are making your food don't complain if you get food poison then with low wages or they mess up your order. You get what you pay for. By 2018 maybe they would want 17 an hour because of something called inflation so its not a pay raise just keeping up with inflation. Just like you would want a raise with your job.  Federal min wage is only 7.25 an hour with highest state Washington at under 9 an hour. This is hardly anything. It just keeps them trapped and on government assistance that you have to pay for . See the big picture. They are making billions in profits. Why do you care so much against it? You don't want to pay an extra 7 cents for your Hamburger? Living wage is realistic ok not 20 bucks an hour those are the extremest but 13-15 an hour is fair depending what part of USA you live in. This is barely a living wage itself but it enough for them to get off government/welfare assitance. Win win for everyone. Do not complain then about people who are working full time and being on government assistance when you do not want to pay them a living wage to better themselves. Even if they choose not to better themselves at this wage 13-15 an hour depending on area in USA ( due to economics ) this wage they would all be off gov assistance.

Pay them a living wage ok we are not talking about luxury wage but a living wage so they can better themselves and get off government assistance.



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 04:34

Don't change the salary.  Not to sound cruel or heartless but every position in the world doesn't deserver top dollar or even a "living wage".  Some positions are designed for the minimum amount possible.  McDonald's may pay little per hour but there are plenty of success stories of people who are just associates who worked their way up to manager's and executives positions within the company.

 

As in anything in life if you have the will to do it then you will find a way.  However people who don't want to put forth any effort, made bad life decisions, or never have any desire to get promoted should not be rewarded for that.

 

Ya, Henry Ford should have just paid his factory floor workers the lowest wages he possibly could, and pocketed the difference. It's not like a livable wage or a livable minimum wage created the middle class or anything. /s

 

Does anyone understand that the more money people have, the more money they spend?

 

If more and more people every year are able to afford less and less, you can say good bye to whatever company you work for, and your job.

 

It's no coincidence that wages over last decade have risen slower than anytime since the Great Depression, and corporate profits are higher than ever in history. Think about that, and ask yourself how long that can last.



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 05:46

Good thread with interesting thoughts from several posters. I just can't get past the supply & demand part of this. If McDonalds couldn't find workers willing to accept the pay offered, McDonalds would have no choice but to raise wages. People pretty much get paid what they are worth. That's why my wife makes 50k a year as a Special Ed teacher and Tom Brady is pulling in 31 million this year. Teachers are a dime-a-dozen, but quality NFL QBs are not. Believe me, I'm a Vikings fan :(

 

Supply and demand. If you want to make more, get more skills. Mickey D's is a job best suited for teens just getting started in the working world and retirees looking to stay busy. If older folks, non-managerial ones, are working there, then they don't need to make much money or for whatever reason don't have the skill set to earn more somewhere else.

 

I'm sorry, but not everyone in the world is going to be make a lot of money.



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 11:02

Interesting that you are implying that people who don't have enough money because of where they work are fat...not seeing the corelation.

I'm implying that people are greedy and stupid. Unfortunately, some people can't afford to be, and would do well to heed the advice given.



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 11:35

I knew it. McDonald's is part of the war on Christmas. Get 'em, Fox.

 

 

Haha... "Low Pay Is Not OK"

 

Cool story, get a better job.... problem solved.

 

Gee, I wonder why they didn't think of that.

 

Australia's per capita debt exceeds the US.  Not sure where you get that prosperous idea.

 

 

That doesn't dictate prosperity. According to Legatum, Australia ranks 7th overall.

 

http://www.prosperity.com



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 14:20

Gee, I wonder why they didn't think of that.

Simple, they're lazy.



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 14:23

Ya, Henry Ford should have just paid his factory floor workers the lowest wages he possibly could, and pocketed the difference. It's not like a livable wage or a livable minimum wage created the middle class or anything. /s

 

Does anyone understand that the more money people have, the more money they spend?

 

If more and more people every year are able to afford less and less, you can say good bye to whatever company you work for, and your job.

 

It's no coincidence that wages over last decade have risen slower than anytime since the Great Depression, and corporate profits are higher than ever in history. Think about that, and ask yourself how long that can last.

You're forgetting the fact that if wages rise, so do prices.  So everybody except for those few employees can now afford less.  If McDonalds is forced to pay high wages for their employees, perhaps they'll have to do away with the dollar menu, which is a massive part of their income.  So they have to pay more money out of their pocket towards wages, and they'll have less money coming in from less customers.  No offense, but your opinion doesn't have much business sense.

 

In addition, companies have shareholders to please by increasing profits year-over-year.  That's Capitalist America, and it's not going to change.



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 14:35

Interesting that you are implying that people who don't have enough money because of where they work are fat...not seeing the corelation.

Because you get a free meal while on break, and also, carbs are less expensive then healthier alternatives at grocery stores, well known, the correlation is there. 

 

- I worked there for a year in my younger days to pay off some stuff while in school, so just my experience, but it held up.



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 14:37

Simple, they're lazy.


Nope. It's this attitude that allows these scumbag companies to continue to treat workers like dirt. Between this and walmart asking employees to provide co-workers with charity you get a sense of just how little these companies care about their employees.

Some of the poorest paid people have some of the most physically demanding jobs.



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