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I think one of our dev team may have figured out how to successfully install a bigger HDD to an XBOX ONE. Tested with a 1TB so far and it seems to work well

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That's good news for those that like to tinker.

It does sound like it actually easier to do then it was for the 360. Considering its based on a proper windows core now, guess that helps.

If there really is no problem system wise doing this, I might consider it at some point. I don't want to burn my warranty though, so it would likely be much later. Using an external drive will do just fine either way.

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Awesome, don't think I'll be cracking open my new Xbox One just yet though!

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Sounds good, so the HDDs aren't locked to a preset size like with the 360, sounds good.     Though I expect they'll have external storage working on the XB1 before people start to run out of space on their 500GB internals.

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Again, friendly reminder..

 

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Discussions involving warez, cracks, security circumvention, using torrents for downloading copyrighted or illegal material is strictly prohibited. This includes music files or other unauthorized software. Asking for help in doing so will cause warns or suspensions of accounts.

 

And remember this will void your warranty and you run the risk of being banned by the XBL Enforcement team for tampering with the hardware.

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Wonder how long until they patch this issue or people get banned from XBL.

For the time being, this is good news for Xboners considering it's the only way currently to have more space. :)

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I suppose if you don't mind voiding your warranty so soon, then it is ok.

 

I don't think you'll get banned. People were doing it with the 360.

To be honest though, by the time you'll need to upgrade your hard drive, i'm sure MS will have external HD support anyway.

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Great news, but I wonder if people will get banned for doing so.

With the Xbox 360 you couldn't really change to bigger capacities, but with this it does sound like it and make it more worthwile to do it.

Maybe when mine reaches its warranty expiration date I will do this to mine (if people don't get banned from XBL for doing so).

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Great news, but I wonder if people will get banned for doing so.

With the Xbox 360 you couldn't really change to bigger capacities, but with this it does sound like it and make it more worthwile to do it.

Maybe when mine reaches its warranty expiration date I will do this to mine (if people don't get banned from XBL for doing so).

 

 

We'll find out sooner rather than later if people will get banned or not.  I don't know if they will though, unlike running a modded disc drive to play pirated games on, installing a bigger HDD doesn't actually help you pirate in any way that I can think of unless somehow people start to find a way to play games you install without the disc, like their digital versions.

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Good luck with that. ;)

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True, but let's not forget that the Xbox One is running a form Windows 8 on all its OSes.

If any succesful modification will begin to hack anything on it, it will be through there as there are already so many people that know how to modify Windows and bypass certain signatures.

I'm very curious if MS will allow any modifying of the components in the box knowing this but we'll just have to wait and see.

 

We'll find out sooner rather than later if people will get banned or not.  I don't know if they will though, unlike running a modded disc drive to play pirated games on, installing a bigger HDD doesn't actually help you pirate in any way that I can think of unless somehow people start to find a way to play games you install without the disc, like their digital versions.

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Nobody got banned for this sort of HDD mod on the 360, so I think it's safe to say that things will remain the same, in that regard.

 

Because this has nothing to do with piracy, nor does it have any effect on the Xbox Live service, I honestly don't think they will care much, it's really not hurting anybody.

 

I'm surprised/disappointed that they didn't allow the HDD to be user accessible, especially when games have to be installed, and the size of them, this gen.

 

To me, this is just a way for us to fix their mistake, and it's not that much different than adding water cooling, or installing different colour LED's.

 

Obviously, you are still running a risk of being banned any time you mess about with the hardware or software in ways that were not intended, and say goodbye to your warranty, if you intend to do it before that runs out, but that is half the fun :)

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I don't know if I'd call it a mistake that they didn't make it user replaceable.   They could have decided against it in favor of letting people use external drives, thus the choice of having USB3 ports as well.   This way they can also come out with a 1TB version a year from now and be able to keep the price around the same while they cut the original 500GB version and so on.

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Nobody got banned for this sort of HDD mod on the 360, so I think it's safe to say that things will remain the same, in that regard.

 

Because this has nothing to do with piracy, nor does it have any effect on the Xbox Live service, I honestly don't think they will care much, it's really not hurting anybody.

 

I'm surprised/disappointed that they didn't allow the HDD to be user accessible, especially when games have to be installed, and the size of them, this gen.

 

To me, this is just a way for us to fix their mistake, and it's not that much different than adding water cooling, or installing different colour LED's.

 

Obviously, you are still running a risk of being banned any time you mess about with the hardware or software in ways that were not intended, and say goodbye to your warranty, if you intend to do it before that runs out, but that is half the fun :)

 

I think it's safe to say it probably hurt their sales of 360 HDDs :laugh: But it's definitely within their right to ban everyone who made a custom HDD (which they never did in a large number AFAIK), especially when it involved dumping the firmware and everyone used the same files to achieve it.

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Is the potential issue here not that MS could see your hard drive is over 500GB, where as in the 360 you were replacing like for like?

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Is the potential issue here not that MS could see your hard drive is over 500GB, where as in the 360 you were replacing like for like?

Possibly, if the system tracks that and sends that data back to MS. I suppose that is possible, although I do wonder if they care about it now at all to try and track that. As long as it is in the correct format and has the proper system image, maybe they didn't put in a check or they really don't care to police that this time around.

It clearly voids the warranty, so its not like they have to support you if something goes wrong, but they aren't selling hard drives anymore, so there is nothing in it for them to actively go after people I would think.

Remember, MS themselves posted the base system image and a place where future updates would be for those that need to do it manually.

I have a feeling that they wont be picky this time, especially once their full external support is added.

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Is the potential issue here not that MS could see your hard drive is over 500GB, where as in the 360 you were replacing like for like?

 

That's what most people did, but the HDD dump you used was the same one everyone used. So it was very clear to them people had custom HDDs when they all had the same device ID lol.

 

On 360 you could never make use of the extra space if you used a larger than accepted HDD. So if you made a 500 GB HDD, the maximum it'd register is 320 GB.

 

Either way they can definitely see what you do, so that's why if you do this, don't be surprised if you're banned on XBL.

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Either way they can definitely see what you do, so that's why if you do this, don't be surprised if you're banned on XBL.

There is one difference though now. MS has made the base system image/install public in case someone needed to wipe the drive or it had become corrupt. You put those files on a properly formatted flash drive and plug it in. I would be interesting to find out what would happen if someone tried that with a new drive in the system, properly formatted of course.

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There is one difference though now. MS has made the base system image/install public in case someone needed to wipe the drive or it had become corrupt. You put those files on a properly formatted flash drive and plug it in. I would be interesting to find out what would happen if someone tried that with a new drive in the system, properly formatted of course.

 

Yeah but obviously for very different reasons. That's just a troubleshooting solution for the HDD. Not an upgrade walkthrough. It's not to allow people to open their X1's and use an after market HDD.

 

I'm sure we'll find out soon enough if MS have a problem. I certainly wouldn't be doing it to a brand new console, with potentially unknown hardware issues that might need the warranty later.

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Yeah but obviously for very different reasons. That's just a troubleshooting solution for the HDD. Not an upgrade walkthrough. It's not to allow people to open their X1's and use an after market HDD.

 

I'm sure we'll find out soon enough if MS have a problem. I certainly wouldn't be doing it to a brand new console, with potentially unknown hardware issues that might need the warranty later.

Yeah.

I definitely wont do it on mine unless MS endorses it or my warranty has run out. In which case, I still wont do it if it risks a ban.

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Yeah.

I definitely wont do it on mine unless MS endorses it or my warranty has run out. In which case, I still wont do it if it risks a ban.

Well that isn't gonna happen. lol

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Well that isn't gonna happen. lol

Oh I know that for sure :laugh:

Still, stranger things have happened.

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no news if this can also applied using SSD instead ?

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no news if this can also applied using SSD instead ?

No one has tested that yet. I would guess it would work fine, but then we are back to ask about trim support. The Win 8 os core on the X1 certainly supports it, but that would need some testing.

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We'll know in time, I'm sure more people will try this now that there's a method for it.  After that we'll see if they decide to ban anyone for installing a bigger HDD.  TBH I doubt it, they're not selling hard drives anymore like with the 360, they're not losing anything by having you change the internal drive.  In fact you lose your warranty, after that they don't care.    So again, unless there's some way to load up a HDD with pre-installed pirated games, install it, and have it play them, then I don't think they're going to do anything to people.

 

From the looks of things, just installing a new drive, and how long it takes to get back to the dashboard, it seems like the system will automatically format it to whatever it needs, probably some encoded version of NTFS, maybe a tweaked bitlocker volume?    If this automatic process can't be bypassed/stopped, and I doubt it can, then there's very little fear of pirating. 

 

It's too soon to be sure of course but I think after 2-3 months, if no ones banned who has done this, then odds are no one will be.

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