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#31 +Phouchg

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 13:09

Well, I'm not going to stop driving my car, or using electricity  ;)
 
There's a few things that everyone can easily do about it:
 
1) We can all operate on the same facts. Warming is occurring. It is caused by humans. It will cause catastrophic consequences. Also, we can alleviate a lot of the consequences by adapting to the inevitable changes now instead of waiting for catastrophes to force us to.
 
2) There are several simple things we can do in our daily lives. Recycle, use LED light bulbs, buy a hybrid or even an electric vehicle if it's practical/affordable, fit your home for solar if it's practical, etc.. If everyone did these things alone it would make a significant impact.
 
3) Request change from our lawmakers and support the innovation of renewable energy. Call them, email them, and vote for representatives that promote action on climate change, and/or renewable energy. This isn't a liberal/conservative issue. There are good people on both sides of the aisle that fit the bill. The most significant solutions to climate change will come from private industry and the government. 

 
I have sympathy for myself in 20-40 years. I have sympathy for my kids and grandkids. There's no point in crying over spilled milk. This is just a problem that exists that poses a challenge. Problems have solutions, and challenges are met.
 
Maybe because some of us are having a jolly good time here, and we want to keep it that way?

 

1) It is not caused *solely* by humans (it is accelerated). Global warming has happened many times already, coupled with ice ages. Mind the wording - green people get a lot of misplaced hate for this alone.

It will cause catastrophic consequences for most living beings, that is true. Pity that certain animals are in danger, I'd care of them first, but, alas, not everyone can or must be saved.

 

We might or we might not alleviate consequences because climate changes do not happen overnight and woe if one thinks changes can be stopped or even reversed. We will have to walk this road sooner or later.

 

2) You're telling how everybody should live their lives. We got enough of those folks, thank you very much.

 

3) You're basing your opinion on USA government. Try telling that to China and especially overpopulated India who just don't give an eff, politically unstable African regions, other overpopulated regions and a huge bunch of 3rd world countries whose whole economy is based on specific kind of trade, and the list is not yet complete.

 

I also say with certainty that many folks on this list aren't having a good time. It's poverty (despite long, hard working hours), insufficient housing, poor hygiene, crime, homicide, wars and other misery they're having, and not a single thing will change if global warming would friggin' -poof- and disappear one day to never come back.

 

Your view is hardly driven by forethought or compassion, but instead by egoism; you argue of global processes, but do not consider the global circumstances.

 

There are much larger problems to solve.




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Posted 13 December 2013 - 13:37

A cool day, but you need -220°F (-140°C) to freeze CO2 out the air into dry ice “snow.” THAT would be a really cold day ;)

Coldest in Michigan: Jan. 19th, 1994 in Amasa, -53F°. Coldest wind chill: -127F° in Sault Ste. Marie. A bit brisk.

 

Man!

 

You DIDN'T have to specify Michigan, did you?

 

Been about cold enough to freeze the balls off a charging rhino here, for a while already!

 

Can't say as I remember it being this cold, and having this much snow on the ground, this early in the season.

 

I always say that if there's snow on the ground on my birthday, 11-29, it's going to be a hard/snowie winter. The Farmers Almanac says it IS supposed to be cold, but not as much snow as usual, or at least as much as most other areas.

 

Been watching that one show about Alaska some lately and wonder how those people can tolerate that crap!!



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 14:13

Actually, I did have to specify as Alaska, the Dakota's, Montana and northern Minnesota can get colder.

Alaska: -80F° (actual)
Montana: -70F° (actual)
etc.

In these areas people often have electric heaters for their cars drive line, cooling system and battery (plus a trickle charger) to stop them from freezing up.

Some of us just gave up and installed insulation and a dedicated gas furnace in our garage. Ours is a 100,000 BTU overhead unit.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 14:35

Yeah, great. And when everyone will use electric vehicles, can scientists please explain how we will produce all the electricity needed to charge all the cars at night ? considering they already need to cut off at winters when it's too cold because people use too much power, that's total nonsense. And recycling the batteries is also a huge problem. Electric vehicles are as stupid as it can be, and it's only pushing the problem several years later.

 

Electric Vehicles use batteries to store power, they dont need a constant solar energy source to remain operational during the night.



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 14:48

And one of the better EV accessories is a solar panel setup. Your solar setup sells power to the utility company during the day at peak kWh prices (your meter runs backwards), then you charge the vehicle using off-peak (cheaper) power.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 15:02

 
 
1) We can all operate on the same facts. Warming is occurring. It is caused by humans....

 

As well as other natural causes...



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 18:38

1) It is not caused *solely* by humans (it is accelerated). Global warming has happened many times already, coupled with ice ages. Mind the wording - green people get a lot of misplaced hate for this alone.


As well as other natural causes...

 

I didn't mean for that line to be taken verbatim, but in conjunction with what I'd posted previously, and had hopefully been read and understood.

 

At least half of warming over the last 50 years has been caused by humans. And, that's just the half that scientists are 95% sure of.

 

No matter how you qualify it, human activities are an extremely significant factor in this warming period.
 

It will cause catastrophic consequences for most living beings, that is true. Pity that certain animals are in danger, I'd care of them first, but, alas, not everyone can or must be saved.
 
We might or we might not alleviate consequences because climate changes do not happen overnight and woe if one thinks changes can be stopped or even reversed. We will have to walk this road sooner or later.
 
2) You're telling how everybody should live their lives. We got enough of those folks, thank you very much.
 
3) You're basing your opinion on USA government. Try telling that to China and especially overpopulated India who just don't give an eff, politically unstable African regions, other overpopulated regions and a huge bunch of 3rd world countries whose whole economy is based on specific kind of trade, and the list is not yet complete.
 
I also say with certainty that many folks on this list aren't having a good time. It's poverty (despite long, hard working hours), insufficient housing, poor hygiene, crime, homicide, wars and other misery they're having, and not a single thing will change if global warming would friggin' -poof- and disappear one day to never come back.
 
Your view is hardly driven by forethought or compassion, but instead by egoism; you argue of global processes, but do not consider the global circumstances.
 
There are much larger problems to solve.

 

Do you have a family? If your house was on fire, would you save the dog before your kids? Would you just lay down and die along with your family because maybe not everyone can or must be saved?

 

I'm not telling anyone how to live their lives... be reasonable. You asked a question and I gave an answer. There are things that everyone can easily do to help with the problem. If you don't want to be part of the solution, that's totally up to you, and we certainly have plenty of people who are content to do nothing but nit pick and idly complain, thank you very much ;)

 

The consequences absolutely can be alleviated. Or, we can just keep making things worse while not preparing for what we know is coming and take our chances.

 

India has the 5th largest wind powered grid and is aggressively implementing solar. China will install 1/3 of the world's solar capacity next year. China and India are actually doing much more on this issue than the U.S. in many ways.

 

Your view is driven by extremes of pessimism, cynicism, and depression. Those problems do exist, and the consequences of climate change will only compound them. Do you really think those people that aren't having a "good time" would rather have a much worse time?

 

There are other problems to solve, but they aren't larger.



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 20:28

I... may have been under inappropriately high amount of stress at the time of my previous posting in this thread that clouded my thoughts and disregarded limits.

I still sort of feel the same way, but, in the cold light, I now realise it's me who is egoistic and incompassionate. Apologies to the readers and posters of Neowin. :pinch: