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#31 Athernar

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 07:08

Oh I agree that its buried in the settings so that the general gamer/user doesn't somehow do something stupid :laugh:

 

It is just one check box, so anyone wanting it can get to it.  I wonder what happens when you check the box.  do you have to restart and it boots you to the desktop instead of Steam maybe?

 

Nah, at most it'll just start/stop the relevant daemons. I'm not entirely sure how everything works, but it's probably all running within the default DE (GNOME).




#32 The_Observer

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 07:53

 

 

All the Steam stuff is still proprietary, beyond that it's just standard Debian 7.1 with some newer package releases / kernel version+patches for performance - which are all meaningless if you're running it in a VM.

 

 

 

 

Who cares if this on a VM, i would like to install and see it up and running. Yes i will not do much with once i have it loaded, but i get to look at it myself and see for myself. Your comments are very pointless and not very helpful at all. 



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Posted 14 December 2013 - 08:15

Hello,

*fires up VMWare Workstation*

#34 Andrew

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 11:06

Just saw a quick walkthrough of SteamOS on Youtube.  It was more or less big picture mode with some extra options.  The video didn't show the desktop but I expect more videos over the next couple of days that will show that.

 

 

Our little Steam is all grown up :wub:

 

Exciting times ahead.



#35 Colicab

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 11:12

I think once this is as feature packed as something like Xbox live on 360 or PSN. Then this has a chance.

Tho Id say mainly as I really love the idea of being able to build my own console.

Also lets get the ability to stream from our main pc`s to these smaller steam machines. So as we dont go from the Windows library to the Linux library on steam with a loss of 90% of our games.

#36 trooper11

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 17:33

I think once this is as feature packed as something like Xbox live on 360 or PSN. Then this has a chance.

Tho Id say mainly as I really love the idea of being able to build my own console.

Also lets get the ability to stream from our main pc`s to these smaller steam machines. So as we dont go from the Windows library to the Linux library on steam with a loss of 90% of our games.

 

 

For me, its just a novelty right now.

 

I still can't find a reason to build or buy a steambox or to say dual boot this with windows.  I can get the same Steam experience on my pc that I use for gaming.  If I wanted a dedicated gaming console, well there is the X1 and PS4.

 

That's just my personal usage, but I realize this could appeal to a lot of gamers that do not have a pc for gaming already.

 

Regardless, I'm excited to see where this goes and how quickly they can get it up to snuff feature wise.



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Posted 14 December 2013 - 17:38

Are we able to use the "stream" option yet?



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Posted 14 December 2013 - 18:01

Who cares if this on a VM, i would like to install and see it up and running. Yes i will not do much with once i have it loaded, but i get to look at it myself and see for myself. Your comments are very pointless and not very helpful at all. 

 

Your entire endeavour is very pointless and not very helpful either, yet you're still going ahead with it. But I apologise for trying to save you from wasting vast amounts of time trying to shoehorn SteamOS into an unsupported configuration, for reasons that amount to "ooh it's new and shiny".

 

You'll be rather disappointed when you find out it's just Debian with Big Picture running. (And when you could have just loaded BPM on your current OS)



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Posted 14 December 2013 - 18:18

How to convert Steam OS ZIP into ISO:

 

Download this: http://www.microsoft...s.aspx?id=30652

 

You only need to install this component: 

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Use Windows search for term: "Deployment" and run as Administrator Deployment termed Command Prompt.

 

and follow this tutorial: http://steamcommunit...14395813782335/

 

 

0. Get a freakin' UEFI computer and trash this PC from the 80's

1. Get a blank DVD media, duh!
2. Get a copy of Microsoft's oscdimg.exe tool. It is part of the Windows Automated Installation Kit (or Windows AIK for short). It is a ~1Gb file, but Google around and you shall find the single 120Kb file you need
3. Think twice about what the heck you are doing
4. Download ANY of the SteamOS zip files
5. Extract the file to a folder, let's say C:\Users\Public\SteamOS\
6. Open a Command Prompt
7. Go to the folder you saved the oscdimg.exe at step 1 (probably your downloads folder) on that command prompt (tip: "cd \users\joeuser\downloads")
8. Type in the following command - should be EXACTLY AS IS, but I may allow you to change the path to the one you extracted on step #5:
 
oscdimg.exe -m -o -j2 -h -pEF -bC:\SteamOS\boot\grub\efi.img -lSteamOS C:\SteamOS\ SteamOS.iso
Its space between last S\ and SteamOS.iso and is small L.
 
9. Use your favorite ISO burner to record the just created SteamOS.iso file to a DVD
10. From this point on, get ready to lose your data if you are too lazy to not understand Valve's instructions
11. Boot with the DVD and again follow ALL the instructions as if you were using an USB drive
12. Send me a beer
13. Enjoy your SteamOS


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Posted 14 December 2013 - 19:02

is it just for games or will there be a way to watch movies over a nas drive for instance...

 

looking for an alternative media centre os



#41 PGHammer

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 19:18

is it just for games or will there be a way to watch movies over a nas drive for instance...

 

looking for an alternative media centre os

 

Precisely.  That will be at least a possible target market for Steam Machines (either OEM or build-your-own), the HTPC/media center market.

 

THAT is why I'm doing VM-based evaluation (just as I do any other Linux DE) - to look at what the distribution can do outside of gaming (specifically, the differences compared to standard Debian, and especially Debian wheezy).  This is NOT Debian wheezy exactly - there ARE differences, and ignoring them could come back and bite me in the butt.  (Remember, assumptions are the mother of all muckups.)



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Posted 14 December 2013 - 19:19

I can't believe that even while basing their "OS" on basic Debian they can't to what every other home cooker can do, make a regular installable OS, and on top of that it requires UEFI... The OS that's supposed to let you build your own steam boxes or use existing computers to stream from a powerful gaming computer somewhere else...

Quality... I've seen 12 year old home cookers do better. Heck the guy making his fantasy Linux distro on this forum before he got predictably tired of it did better.

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 19:35

For me, its just a novelty right now.

 

I still can't find a reason to build or buy a steambox or to say dual boot this with windows.  I can get the same Steam experience on my pc that I use for gaming.  If I wanted a dedicated gaming console, well there is the X1 and PS4.

 

That's just my personal usage, but I realize this could appeal to a lot of gamers that do not have a pc for gaming already.

 

Regardless, I'm excited to see where this goes and how quickly they can get it up to snuff feature wise.

The X1 and PS4 (not to mention the older and now-discounted XB360 and PS3) are some of the targets for the SteamMachine - that means they HAVE to at least come close to matching even the older consoles feature-for-feature outside of gaming.

Further, among those same targets (especially if you're an OEM or would-be OEM) are more plebian HTPCs/SFF PCs running other Linux DEs, if not Windows - a SteamMachine MUST offer "value-add" if it is going to knock out any of those already-existing choices, especially given the price premium.

 

Lastly, as much as Gabe Newell has disparaged Windows 8.1, a Windows 8.1 PC (of nearly any vintage) can outpace a SteamMachine at this stage of things *just by adding Steam* - remember, Big Picture Mode is ALREADY a feature of the Steam client for Windows.  In fact, my current PC (which is below the minimum requirements due to lacking UEFI support) could outpace a Steam Machine - and it's composed entirely of no-longer-manufactured (dead) hardware.  That isn't just a big problem - it's a monstrous problem (at least for prebuilt SteamMachines, if not the SteamOS itself); how does Valve face that issue?



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Posted 14 December 2013 - 19:53

I can't believe that even while basing their "OS" on basic Debian they can't to what every other home cooker can do, make a regular installable OS, and on top of that it requires UEFI... The OS that's supposed to let you build your own steam boxes or use existing computers to stream from a powerful gaming computer somewhere else...

Quality... I've seen 12 year old home cookers do better. Heck the guy making his fantasy Linux distro on this forum before he got predictably tired of it did better.

HawkMan - the UEFI issue can be worked around - depending on how you want to do the evaluation process.  (Both Oracle VirtualBox and vmWare have EFI support; there's a post in the SteamOS SteamCommunity forums on how to create a bootable ISO for vmWare in EFI mode - it also works for Oracle VB, vmWare Player 5, or vmWare Workstation 10; that is something I have tested personally.)

Still, I think the UEFI "requirement" is simply a screen-out factor - it eliminates older hardware (basically, anything older than LGA1366 or the AMD equivalent) from consideration by OEMs.

 

Here are the settings I used for vmWare Workstation 10:

 

Guest RAM: 1536K (I have 4096K total on the host - this setting is just under half the total RAM available, and leaves room for running other software on the host while the VM is running.)

Guest HDD: 32 GB (This figure is actually high for vmWare Debian guests - vmWare recommends less than a quarter of this figure.  SteamOS did NOT use it all.)

Guest OS setting:  Debian 7 (64-bit) (Directly from the SteamOS FAQ.)

 

Other than enabling EFI support in the VM via an edit (vmWare requires it, in Oracle VB, it's a switch in the VM settings), the same settings work in Oracle VB.  (Naturally, you can, and likely should, increase the amount of RAM if you can, as my own settings are less than half what Valve specifies - however, it will still work, despite being under-spec.)



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Posted 14 December 2013 - 19:55

The X1 and PS4 (not to mention the older and now-discounted XB360 and PS3) are some of the targets for the SteamMachine - that means they HAVE to at least come close to matching even the older consoles feature-for-feature outside of gaming.

Further, among those same targets (especially if you're an OEM or would-be OEM) are more plebian HTPCs/SFF PCs running other Linux DEs, if not Windows - a SteamMachine MUST offer "value-add" if it is going to knock out any of those already-existing choices, especially given the price premium.

 

Lastly, as much as Gabe Newell has disparaged Windows 8.1, a Windows 8.1 PC (of nearly any vintage) can outpace a SteamMachine at this stage of things *just by adding Steam* - remember, Big Picture Mode is ALREADY a feature of the Steam client for Windows.  In fact, my current PC (which is below the minimum requirements due to lacking UEFI support) could outpace a Steam Machine - and it's composed entirely of no-longer-manufactured (dead) hardware.  That isn't just a big problem - it's a monstrous problem (at least for prebuilt SteamMachines, if not the SteamOS itself); how does Valve face that issue?

 

 

Oh I agree, its going to be an uphill climb for Valve. 

 

I have a pc made especially for htpc duties and I have leveraged Win 8 for a great 10ft UI via the start screen.  I pin everything I want to access there, which happens to include Steam, which launches itself into Big Picture mode and I can use a remote control to do it all.  Right now, I already feel like I have the best of both worlds as far as an OS that can handle any app I want, any game I want, plus all the media stuff I could want.

 

SteamOS and Steamboxes are kind of in the middle of everything right now.  But hey, its very early and until we see production machines being sold and the OS being out of beta, I'm not going to judge the platform.  It needs time to mature and then maybe I will find where it fits into my own device needs.