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Windows 8.x is an irrefutable colossal failure at retail already because of the metro garbage that was shoved in everyone's face, what point is there to try and "fix" any of its many flaws for current or future versions? metro is horrid and counterproductive for any desktop no matter how you spin it.

 

Just stick with what works, base the next version of windows on the windows 7 UI and it will most likely succeed, give the option of metro for tablet users.

 

Problem easily solved.

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You do know this is 2013 not 1990 don't you.

I think its not a step back but a giant leep.

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I wish Microsoft could have kept Windows Basic, Aero Glass and basic themes in Windows 8! They could have kept them along with the new revamped whistler theme as optional themes. By removing them, all Microsoft did was really eliminate choices for users.  I hope they bring them back in future release.

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Here's a great concept....remove Metro from the desktop OS and have a Metro OS for phone and tablets.  This would make me very happy!!!

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Show me a metro app that doesn't SUCK compared to the desktop version and I would think different...

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Show me a metro app that doesn't SUCK compared to the desktop version and I would think different....

 

Metro Radio (it didn't use 75% of the CPU like web flash Pandora ;-) -- could be fixed though, I haven't used the Pandora website in ages)

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Get rid of this metro abomination from Desktop. There is no need to have this tablet interface on desktop. This concept was flawed to begin with and after so much denial MS is slowly realizing this obvious conclusion. 

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There is so much wrong with this concept to start with...

 

1. For gods sack, where is the share charm? How are we supposed to use a second screen, print from apps, share with other apps, etc?

2. What is a switch doing in the charms bar?

3. Why would you want a taskbar to launch application on you startscreen, ment to launch applications?

4. No need for an option to disable the taskbar, nor the app switcher, they are both touch-friendly.

5. A power button next to a screen switch that also can be accessed with a swipe, how many times do you think people actualy shut down their PC? With this, that's going to be a lot, without even wanting to shut down.

6. Worst concept ever... please, stop making concepts that send us back to the '00, just improve the metro interface...

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Its easy.

Ive been saying it since 2011:

1. Desktop mode for desktops

2. Metro for tablets.

It's really as simple as that.

 

Which mode would AIO desktops (with touch-screens), touch-screen Ultrabooks and hybrid laptops use?

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Which mode would AIO desktops (with touch-screens), touch-screen Ultrabooks and hybrid laptops use?

Metro. Since ultrabooks are just notebooks but thinner.

Anything that cant fit on someones lap would use the desktop

Anything that can fit in lap/hands, well thats a notebook/ultrabook etc and would use metro

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Metro. Since ultrabooks are just notebooks but thinner.

Anything that cant fit on someones lap would use the desktop

Anything that can fit in lap/hands, well thats a notebook/ultrabook etc and would use metro

 

Not necessarily true. The fact that it is mostly true is a failure on app developers end. Modern UI has potential for great touch apps. There's something wrong ... devs aren't making great apps, and Microsoft isn't either. Their sample app, the alarm app, is a great example, yet even Microsoft forgot to sync it with SkyDrive, so if you set alarms on the desktop, when you open it on Surface, they're not there. Inexcusable.

 

The learning curve must be steeper than Microsoft imagined, or WinRT just can't accommodate all the things Win32 can. I'm not a proggy so I don't know, but I do know 2 years in and the apps aren't there. Perhaps Microsoft selling devs on tablet and phone applets is the issue. Perhaps Microsoft's approval process is the issue but that can't be it given the garbage in the app store.

 

How many countdown to this or that apps are their, fan apps that link to web pages? Apps with typos in the verbiage? Trying to come up from last place MS should have had tighter quality control than everyone else. Yeah, all the stores have useless apps, but MS' have a lot of garbage, looks like garbage. At least Apple store's garbage looks decent.

 

I believe it would be in consumers' interest for MS to succeed here, but they're the ones blowing it.

 

It's all about the apps. And the fact that right now, aside from Netflix, if it fits on your lap you are probably left with no choice but to use Desktop (win32) apps, is something MS would be looking to rectify through subsidizing app devs or something. But they are not. Because they are not driven by creativity or vision right now. They are driven by share holders. Just like Apple before they almost tanked and brought Jobs back ...

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Which mode would AIO desktops (with touch-screens), touch-screen Ultrabooks and hybrid laptops use?

This is why Metro is included on all machines, and doesn't try and guess what hardware you're running. 

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Microsoft needs to accept that many users don't own touchscreen devices and want a traditional Windows desktop experience.

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Why? The concept is flawed. For starters, where did the Share Charm go? I use that, quite often. Second, having the power button next to the All Apps toggle, is asking for trouble, thanks to a missed hit. 

 

I am not saying the concept is good or bad, but that replying simply "ummm.. no", is just infering stupidity through pomposity. It's a petty way to insult someone by disreagrding their views/ideas without evena addressing them.

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how about just a switch in boot options, that has 2 choices.   Win7 look, or Modern UI look.     just let people choose what they want.   i can't understand why that's so difficult for MS.....

 

Some of us can't do "either/or". I still use the desktop 20-25% of the time, so I still need the 7 look for the desktop side. Until the application support is fully there for Modern, I can't pick just one. I even occasionally use the desktop file manager on my Surface RT.

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Its easy.

Ive been saying it since 2011:

1. Desktop mode for desktops

2. Metro for tablets.

It's really as simple as that.

And if people want to run Metro apps, just let them run it in a window. If Stardock can do it, why the hell can't MS?

 

Some of us prefer Metro, even on our desktop systems, so limiting users to one or the other based on device wouldn't work. I'd honestly prefer to run desktop apps in a Metro window, rather than Metro apps on the desktop.

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Some of us can't do "either/or". I still use the desktop 20-25% of the time, so I still need the 7 look for the desktop side. Until the application support is fully there for Modern, I can't pick just one. I even occasionally use the desktop file manager on my Surface RT.

I'm unfortunately in the same boat. I finally replaced Visual Studio for PHP/CSS/JS/HTML with Codio.com. Now I keep the desktop around for file management because there isn't a decent WinRT based file manager built in. And I also need to keep Chrome around as a second browser for testing, as well as battlelog.com (battlefield 4).

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After Jay Machalani's concept on 8.2, it becomes really hard for anyone to follow with something better!

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Some of us prefer Metro, even on our desktop systems, so limiting users to one or the other based on device wouldn't work.

 

This.

 

I've said it earlier, but personally, I like what Metro is doing. I honestly feel as if adaptive and dynamic UIs like Metro are the future in UI design, and that the static, dull "workstation" UIs are a thing of the past. Microsoft isn't wrong for trying their hand at it, nor may they get it right the first time around (depending on who you ask), but there's an exciting world just waiting to be developed here. This is something that could make sitting at a desk "fun" again. There's just too many benefits to ignore.

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After Jay Machalani's concept on 8.2, it becomes really hard for anyone to follow with something better!

 

It's just a windows 8 style start menu and a separate physical button on the device that goes to the start screen. Not much of a concept in my opinion.

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first. why would Microsoft have different OS modes? its a ridiculous idea because why would they deliberately sabotage the adoption of the new API of the future? if people haven't been paying attention, that's WinRT. Have you been following that last 2 BUILDS??? Did you even hear them talk about Win32??? 

Quite a bit actually:

http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2013?t=desktop-app

 

Here's the list of new Win32 and COM APIs in Windows 8 and Windows 8.1:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh920511(v=vs.85).aspx#win32_com_functions_and_interfaces

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Some of us can't do "either/or". I still use the desktop 20-25% of the time, so I still need the 7 look for the desktop side. Until the application support is fully there for Modern, I can't pick just one. I even occasionally use the desktop file manager on my Surface RT.

 

ok, then have the 2 options, Win7 or the way it is now.

 

it's still not difficult.

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 is asking for trouble, thanks to a missed hit. 

 

Just like Microsoft turning off the delete confirmation box default, so when you accidentally select delete it doesn't ask you if you REALLY want to delete it, it just throws it in the recycle bin (yes I know you can renable it). That's also asking for trouble.

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