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#31 MorganX

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 00:57

Fully applicable.  Both are recognised icons and roles defined by a very specific look.

 

No, one is a real person, with a real history, and with a real ethnic background. The other is not. St. Nicholas is real, but that's not Santa Claus. St. Nick's giving and who he gave it to didn't translate well, so the sentiment of giving was infused into this mythical character.




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Posted 17 December 2013 - 01:05

I was being sarcastic about Abraham Lincoln. If Jesus can be an honorary white and/or Asian person, why not make Lincoln an honorary black person? Because both examples are equally ridiculous, is my point.

 

Which one of these persons is unlike the others... Lincoln, Jesus, Caesar, Santa Claus... I'd totally agree that it's irrelevant in relation to this topic :)

 

BTW, I don't think any white guy other than Chevy Chase could pull off Clark Griswold, let alone a black guy. Maybe Steve Martin, maybe. The guy from the Office and Hangover, is a very remote possibility. Clark Griswold is who Richard Pryor or Chris Rock are imitating when they do their white guy impressions, and while it's funny to watch for brief bits on stage, Chevy Chase was so great because he was so believable as that person.

 

You're probably right about Clark. His "whiteness" is an integral part of who his character is, at least in the first one. Race/ethnicity doesn't have to mean anything bad nor define a person. But sometimes it does...

 

If that teacher doesn't know there's black Santas, she must never go to the mall at Christmas time, lol. She's kind of dense, but she definitely shouldn't lose her job based solely on that incident.



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 01:48

Wow, talk about things getting blown out of proportion.



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 01:52

Your probably right about Clark. His "whiteness" is an integral part of who his character is, at least in the first one. Race/ethnicity doesn't have to mean anything bad nor define a person. But sometimes it does...

 

If that teacher doesn't know there's black Santas, she must never go to the mall at Christmas time, lol. She's kinds dense, but she definitely shouldn't lose her job based solely on that incident.

 

It's really more about culture than race or ethnicity. We just happen to be mostly split culturally along the lines of race and ethnicity.

 

In a lot of ways, it's no different than U.S./Europe, or the English and the French or Germans. Even the mid-west and east/west coasts and the south in the U.S.. There are things about our culture that we can see are funny or odd, especially through the eyes of someone from another culture, as well as things we find funny or odd about other cultures.

 

Santa Claus is definitely funny and odd, especially for anyone from a culture that doesn't have a Santa Claus. The reason I think Jesus comes up so often and quickly in every conversation I've seen about whether Santa can be black is because some people, even though they know he's as real as the Easter Bunny, still see Santa Claus in sort of the same way they did when they were children. They sort of see him as being like Jesus, or at least the odd man out in the Holy Trinity.


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Posted 17 December 2013 - 01:58

the teacher is probably more of an idiot than a racist. he apologized, lesson learned, lets move on. But wait..noooo. That's not enough. I want blood.



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 02:35

> The reality is that Jesus was not white though, no matter how wrong they have it in the West or in Asia.


You can't know that.

Anthropologically Caucasians include all or part of the populations of Europe, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, and West, Central and South Asia. There are Indians who qualify.

In the US census "white" includes "a person having origins in any of Europe, the Middle East or North Africa." Brazil has a similar definition. These are the largest nations who define "white."

Jesus, a Galilean, came from the Middle East and could very well have been a Caucasian / "white."

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 02:54

Hello,

I think there is no story. Teacher made a racist comment, apoligizied, and accepted. That's it. The end.

The only thing possible is a lawsuit for racism. Other than that...

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 02:59

Can we at least agree that no matter if white or black Santa is still a reptilian?

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 03:00

You can't know that.

Anthropologically Caucasians include all or part of the populations of Europe, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, and West, Central and South Asia. There are Indians who qualify.

In the US census "white" includes "a person having origins in any of Europe, the Middle East or North Africa." Brazil has a similar definition. These are the largest nations who define "white."

Jesus, a Galilean, came from the Middle East and could very well have been a Caucasian / "white."

 
Caucasoids aren't mostly white like Europeans. Their skin tone ranges from very light to brown.  

 

Sure, there is no way to know exactly what Jesus looked like. We do know what Jewish people around the 1st century looked like though, and it's not Caucasoid.



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 03:13

The only thing possible is a lawsuit for racism. Other than that...

 

I think they are working to get the teacher fired.



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 03:19

Santa IS white, but why the hell should that preclude black people from dressing up as him?



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 03:21

EVERYONE feels more comfortable on SOME level when someone matches their ethnicity.


How old are you? 68?

Speak for yourself.

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 03:31

I don't know I was raised believing santa was white so seeing a black santa would be weird but whatever, he's not hurting anyone so let him do what he wants.

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 03:32

You can't know that.

Anthropologically Caucasians include all or part of the populations of Europe, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, and West, Central and South Asia. There are Indians who qualify.

In the US census "white" includes "a person having origins in any of Europe, the Middle East or North Africa." Brazil has a similar definition. These are the largest nations who define "white."

Jesus, a Galilean, came from the Middle East and could very well have been a Caucasian / "white."

 

If you're classifying white as Caucasian, then he was Caucasian. But almost surely not white, nor blue eyed. Practically all arabs are Caucasian including Sadaam Hussein. Hispanics are Caucasian and by that criterion, therefore white. Hence the white/non-Hispanic white/Hispanic option of government forms.

 

Cleopatra was white as well, Persian to be specific, as was the Ramses line of Pharohs. Redheads. Nubian Pharos were Negroid, and very black. Egyptian culture was not a color based racist society. If you lived Egyptian culture, you were Egyptian.

 

American racism is it's own animal, created for a purpose, and perpetuated by racist Americans, though the slave trade is over, now we trade in human women and children mostly. No need to create a criteria to justify discrimination against them, just kidnap them and sell them.



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 03:34

Hello,

I think there is no story. Teacher made a racist comment, apoligizied, and accepted. That's it. The end.

The only thing possible is a lawsuit for racism. Other than that...

 

There is no such thing, and if there were it would be hard to prove damages.