papercut2008uk Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 i've seen a few news articles that claim they are bad, should be banned and users are getting lots of chemicals, it's just general bad press to these things, which got me thinking, there are lots of other products that are similar that are being promoted, although they are for people trying to quite, like Nicotine inhaler, patch, gum etc. Why is there so much bad press to an electronic version?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francescob Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Because they smoke the competition? snaphat (Myles Landwehr), Growled, Coagulated and 3 others 6 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendeth Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Isn't it weird being upset about chemicals when the alternative is smoking a stick filled with them? Praetor 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Norris Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 It really wouldn't surprise me if the tobacco industry is funding a lot of the negative press, cutting into their business and all.. they're getting fairly popular, has to be hurting their bottom line. Been using one for almost 5 years now, haven't had a real cigarette since then, and feel/breathe noticeably better too. Granted there should be some regulation, namely keeping it out of the hands of kids, etc, no issues with that. But banning is just absurd.. I can't say that e-cigs are safe, but they've got to be a hell of a lot safer than inhaling the crap that real cigs put out, never mind saving a ton of cash in the process. T3X4S and KingCracker 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcfan Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 e-cigs need to be banned, but when a pickup blows a big cloud of black diesel particulate into nearby cars, that's A OK. Raa, Max Norris, The Evil Overlord and 3 others 6 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123456789A Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 What exactly are e-cigs and where do you download them? T3X4S, The Evil Overlord, Coagulated and 2 others 5 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raa Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 They did research into it and didn't find anything conclusive to suggest that e-cigs are bad for you. I remember a mention that the long term effects of vaping PG over VG was in question, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snaphat (Myles Landwehr) Member Posted December 17, 2013 Member Share Posted December 17, 2013 Lobbying by the tobacco industry (similar reason the american diet is oversaturated with milk or why we aren't labeling GMO crops* -- recommendations often time are partially related to lobbying pressure). *Disclaimer: I don't care that we don't label GMOs, I'm just pointing out the parallels for sake of argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snaphat (Myles Landwehr) Member Posted December 17, 2013 Member Share Posted December 17, 2013 They did research into it and didn't find anything conclusive to suggest that e-cigs are bad for you. I remember a mention that the long term effects of vaping PG over VG was in question, however. Tobacco industry says we need another 50 years to be absolutely sure this isn't true. In the meantime we have to ban them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted December 17, 2013 Member Share Posted December 17, 2013 Because they smoke the competition? I see what you did there. :D snaphat (Myles Landwehr) and Raa 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rohdekill Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 The concern is not the device, but rather the liquids in use. Currently, there is no oversight in place on what can or cannot be in the liquid. One report I came across said several liquids were found to contain dangerous levels of chemicals. Companies are not required to list the ingredients in use because these are not listed as smoking sensation devices. The tobacco companies want these identified as such so that they fall under the same, stringent guidelines as they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinggus Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I don't know why they are getting bad press. I don't use e-cigs, I use vaporizers (same thing), this is the device a few of my friends and I use. I know many people who switched to these to quit smoking. Vaping is safer, and users don't inhale tar or any of the other chemicals in a cigarette. It's getting big on the east coast. You can either use it to help quit smoking, you get your nicotine dosage in milligrams or you can just enjoy the flavors they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Wanderer Chicken Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I thought any kind of cigarette was dangerous for your health snaphat (Myles Landwehr), thomastmc and Coagulated 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiranui Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there I thought any kind of cigarette was dangerous for your health Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compl3x Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I thought any kind of cigarette was dangerous for your health Ahh, those were the days! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightwind Hawk Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I think some of the reason for them being banned/getting bad press is that they make it too easy to START smoking - especially for kids, since they come in all kinds of flavors. thomastmc 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Overlord Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I don't know, I know what they claim, but after trying one, I found e lights to be nasty, and didn't get the nicotine hit I was hoping to use them as a medium while I try to quit smoking +Mirumir 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libertas83 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 It really wouldn't surprise me if the tobacco industry is funding a lot of the negative press, cutting into their business and all.. they're getting fairly popular, has to be hurting their bottom line. Been using one for almost 5 years now, haven't had a real cigarette since then, and feel/breathe noticeably better too. Granted there should be some regulation, namely keeping it out of the hands of kids, etc, no issues with that. But banning is just absurd.. I can't say that e-cigs are safe, but they've got to be a hell of a lot safer than inhaling the crap that real cigs put out, never mind saving a ton of cash in the process. It would be quite the opposite. The Tobacco industry is buying many of the e-cig makers and getting into the market. You have to remember the overall market for smoking is shrinking due to high government regulation, taxation, and the health issues to people. If the e-cig can be a safer alternative then it is in their best interest to promote it and transform the industry to the new product. Tobacco industry says we need another 50 years to be absolutely sure this isn't true. In the meantime we have to ban them! Well it would be true that you need about 50 years to really know impact. It may be "safer" today but that doesn't meant we will learn of new health issues due to high usage of a product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snaphat (Myles Landwehr) Member Posted December 17, 2013 Member Share Posted December 17, 2013 Well it would be true that you need about 50 years to really know impact. It may be "safer" today but that doesn't meant we will learn of new health issues due to high usage of a product. I wasn't being serious there. I do agree that long term studies are needed because you won't know of the real impact without them. But a the same time you shouldn't ban or over-regulate an unknown alternative when it is well known that the alternative (tobacco) is carcinogenic and horrible for health in general. It wouldn't be the same case if we were talking about an unknown vs something with relatively few side effects. I can just imagine stupid ads from the Tobacco industry: 'A public service announcement from your friends at A.J. Aeynolds. You may have heard about E-Cigarettes. It is important to know the facts. The fact of the matter is that the facts aren't in. Scientists currently don't know how E-Cigarettes will affect you, your wife, or your children. Do you want to risk Sally's glamorous future as a starlet? Or Johnny's career as a first basemen? Smoke Aeynolds! Your children's well being may depend upon it!' I crack myself up... The Evil Overlord 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick H. Supervisor Posted December 17, 2013 Supervisor Share Posted December 17, 2013 I didn't mind my e-cigarette when I had it, and I think it was helping me to quit. I think my biggest issue with it was that I kept misplacing it. Either that or occasionally not being able to figure out if there was still anything in the cartridge or not. The parmacy just downstairs sells them now, so maybe I'll go in and get another one sometime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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