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#1 psionicinversion

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 06:12

its good because it doesn't matter if the PS4 pushes more gfx capabilities than the X1 if you like the games on the X1 youll choose the X1 if you like the games on the PS4 youll choose the PS4 its simple but you cant define either console on gfx capabilities. Personally I think the X1 is next gen just because its the next gen entertainment system trying to integrate itself into your home not only game wise but software wise, for example facebook twitter Skype all through the kinects interface , ps4 owners may scoff but how many of those people will be commenting through facebook, twitter, streams of there thoughts etc, the ps4 WILL be able to do these things although no where near as well cus the ps eye is an addon/an after thought and not designed to be fundamentally part of the system. Anyway check this out:_

 

https://robertsspace...fighting-Update

 

about 5:45 in the video shows off a system with asteroids in it and about 7:03ish shows a ship flying through the same environment so its not pre-rendered. Every part of the ship is able to be shot off from the armour plating to the gun sections. I really do think Star Citizen is the NEXT GEN of gaming and its only on PC and we are not oblivious to the power needed to run a smooth game at max settings I can see us spending £500-1000 on xfire/sli systems just for the gfx cards to run it and it wouldn't have made $35 million in backers to achieve this if we all thought it was trash.

 

Will this come to consoles maybe in 10 years... on current hardware I think we'd laugh in your face unless it happened but that would mean some serious disadvantages to the current model to support the already age old platforms of x1 and ps4. not to have a go but to run that level of fidelity the x1+ps4 would not be able to achieve at all and would hinder the PC yet again. Chris Roberts the founder already aid this game is to push the PC platform and im sorry to say but consoles are already left behind.

 

May seem like a bash to the consoles but a major game release in 2015 will annihilate the consoles sure youll need serious hardware to push it and "casual" gaming consoles cant handle it but this will be the first game in years that actually pushes the limits on PC hardware and shows what a game can do without a console in mind or crappy PC ports.  going stop here im a bit drunk not flaming its just my opinion on where gaming should be heading. Next section of consoles (if they arrive) will push 4k cus that's where the hardware is going already so itll be budget ready within 8 years, ya got 290's/290x with 4GB ran ready to push 4k gaming in 8 years it will be norm :D

 

Oh by the way the game is still in alpha so things can change but it can only get better!




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Posted 22 December 2013 - 06:19

It's died down because people have already bitched insistently about the crop of multi-platform games coming out. Each time a multi-platform game releases the buckering will start right back up again.



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Posted 22 December 2013 - 06:27

like people say itll basically be coded for the lowest common demoninator i.e. X1 (as ppl believe) but itll all look the same x1, ps4 PC etc on multiplatform PC may have better gfx cus of the setting section which needs be there to cater for differentiating hardware but I was trying get across Star Citizen is a real time rendered environment and when its released itll blow anything away that currently on the market... and that's a fact!



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Posted 22 December 2013 - 07:51

I think it died down once both consoles were released and you could make a direct comparison on multi-platform games.

 

PC > PS4 > Xbox One > PS3 > X360 > Wii U > Wii > etc.



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Posted 22 December 2013 - 10:27

I think it died down once both consoles were released and you could make a direct comparison on multi-platform games.

 

PC > PS4 > Xbox One > PS3 > X360 > Wii U > Wii > etc.

 

Not really tbh, an average PC user will see similar gfx to both consoles atm as there in there infancy as such, sure throughout there life cycle the gfx will get a hell of alot better on both consoles but im talking about a next gen game that is primarily drived through a PC platform without limiting itself to hardware (consoles in this case) and driving the future of gaming. what do ya think?? and before anyone slap it this may be driving force behind the 4k gaming of the future which you may see in the next xbox or PS5



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Posted 22 December 2013 - 10:33

Not really tbh, an average PC user will see similar gfx to both consoles atm as there in there infancy as such, sure throughout there life cycle the gfx will get a hell of alot better on both consoles but im talking about a next gen game that is primarily drived through a PC platform without limiting itself to hardware (consoles in this case) and driving the future of gaming. what do ya think?? and before anyone slap it this may be driving force behind the 4k gaming of the future which you may see in the next xbox or PS5


The way I see it is we're going to see one rather large jump in graphics performance soon, once developers get used to how to work with the PS4/XB1. After that, I think the push will be, like you say, to equaling graphics performance on high resolution displays. 4K TVs are starting to become affordable now, and much like 1080p, will probably be mainstream towards the end of the current consoles' lifespan. As for PC, it's a similar push there towards supporting HiDPI/"retina" displays. Most games (under Windows) perform crappily on my retina macbook pro unless I run it at non-retina resolutions, which kind of defeats the point. I think it's perfectly logical to start bringing out HiDPI displays soon - and if you have a 27" display running at 5120x2880 that's going to take some serious graphics power.

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 10:36

I didn't really notice any debacle, if anything users need to be commended on how grown up and mature responses have been, that I've seen at least.

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 10:41

The way I see it is we're going to see one rather large jump in graphics performance soon, once developers get used to how to work with the PS4/XB1. After that, I think the push will be, like you say, to equaling graphics performance on high resolution displays. 4K TVs are starting to become affordable now, and much like 1080p, will probably be mainstream towards the end of the current consoles' lifespan. As for PC, it's a similar push there towards supporting HiDPI/"retina" displays. Most games (under Windows) perform crappily on my retina macbook pro unless I run it at non-retina resolutions, which kind of defeats the point. I think it's perfectly logical to start bringing out HiDPI displays soon - and if you have a 27" display running at 5120x2880 that's going to take some serious graphics power.

 

I thinik what happens is if you got a display maxing at 2560x1600 you need to play your game at that res othwerwise it looks rubbish i think... dont qoute me but its something like that but its a hard sell i think consoles are positioned for the market they intend to occupy and atm is 1080p TV's. PC monitors can get 2560x1600 or triple 1080p displays geting 5760x1080 its crazy but the next marketa a console will be posuitioned for is 4k TV's cus that will eventually be mass market inthe next 4-8 years.  Thats fair enogh but im glad a gam is coming out to stresss the best gfx hardware out there on visuals and physics and is a pure PC game thats no hold bound.... lets see what it can do :D:D:D



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Posted 22 December 2013 - 10:47

I thinik what happens is if you got a display maxing at 2560x1600 you need to play your game at that res othwerwise it looks rubbish i think... dont qoute me but its something like that but its a hard sell i think consoles are positioned for the market they intend to occupy and atm is 1080p TV's. PC monitors can get 2560x1600 or triple 1080p displays geting 5760x1080 its crazy but the next marketa a console will be posuitioned for is 4k TV's cus that will eventually be mass market inthe next 4-8 years.  Thats fair enogh but im glad a gam is coming out to stresss the best gfx hardware out there on visuals and physics and is a pure PC game thats no hold bound.... lets see what it can do :D:D:D

 

Dell are releasing a range of 4K monitors in their Ultrasharp range that aren't much more expensive than their current range to be honest. The 28 inch 4K coming out early next year is looking tempting.

 

All that screen real estate...  :o



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Posted 22 December 2013 - 10:49

Dell are releasing a range of 4K monitors in their Ultrasharp range that aren't much more expensive than their current range to be honest. The 28 inch 4K coming out early next year is looking tempting.

 

All that screen real estate...  :o

 

lol a 4k monitor would be absolutely amazing but it needs to be sub £300 (havnt looked at the pricing tbh but itll be £1000+) haha maybe, hmm maybe ill have a look now :D

 

Update... for £3000 i think gamer woul get dual 290x's or dual 780Ti's and own it up on 1920x1200 or 2560... they have come downin price but needs to be downalot more



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Posted 22 December 2013 - 10:54

lol a 4k monitor would be absolutely amazing but it needs to be sub £300 (havnt looked at the pricing tbh but itll be £1000+) haha maybe, hmm maybe ill have a look now :D

 

Well the 28 inch will be priced at "under $1000". So no idea what I'll pay in the UK for one. I paid £600 ($980) for their 27 inch 1440 ultrasharp about a year ago.



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Posted 22 December 2013 - 11:58

isnt 4k 3870x2560 or someat like that? which makes a 4k display alot more expensive?



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Posted 22 December 2013 - 12:06

I wouldn't say it's died down as much as their is nothing to talk about.

 

At this time, neither console is enticing and neither console has any titles worthy of debate/glory.

 

But don't worry, It'll blow up though next year, when exclusive start going head-to-head.



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Posted 22 December 2013 - 19:03

I think it's died down in part due to a solid dose of reality to blow away the fancruft and marketing nonsense. (POWA OV DA CLAOWD etc)

 

I'm sure there will be plenty of blips along the road as showcase titles pop up and marketing overhypes them.