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#301 Draconian Guppy

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Posted 30 December 2014 - 20:38

What do all the symbols in your crest signify Guppy?

The shield stands for family origin, eg territorial designation:

 

http://en.wikipedia....ial_designation

http://en.wikipedia....iliary_particle

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6 Silver hills (there are variations as above, which are gold) which stand for origins, family of rich merchants from the rich mountains ( from the massive mountains of Florence  and the 3 star are supposedly the noble designations.  Think of the above as origins

Truth is, one my aunts explained it to me several times and I never cared much for it:

 

And below the nobility designations to our last name:

 

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Bacci would be the surname and di Capaci, the feudal property or territorial designation.

 

Which according to book guidelines, the stars should be 8 peaks not 6. (Properly called mullets), are used as a variation for candency (differentiation) from similar houses (eg, we are not the only Bacci) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadency

http://it.wikipedia....liane_(Baa-Baq)

 

First bottom coronet is noble/baron 

Top crown is for count

 

http://en.wikipedia.....281861-1946.29

The open helm/helmet also stands for nobility and rank, also the side which it is facing is also a designation, though also could be interpreted to strength, protection, invulnerability

Mantling as well was only used by knights or " sovereigns"

Tincture (colors) have their own designation as well and apply to the crest as a whole

 

http://en.wikipedia....i/Or_(heraldry)

http://en.wikipedia....zure_(heraldry)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argent   

http://en.wikipedia....ule_of_tincture

The rope (wreath/ torse) was also only used for designations of high ranks

 

 

 

To be completely honest, I never really cared for descendancy much 

 

#1 Monarchy was "abolished" in Italy, in the sense to dissolve old nobility titles out of spite to particular families, the now "republic" has also a prime minister (much like england) and  "presidents" have no defined term so...

 

http://en.wikipedia....ndum_.281946.29

 

Article 139 of the new constitution explicitly states that the republican form of government cannot be changed by constitutional amendment, thus foreclosing any attempt to restore the monarchy short of adopting a new constitution.

http://en.wikipedia....les_of_Nobility

In 1946, the Kingdom of Italy was replaced by a republic. Under the Italian Constitution adopted in 1948, titles of nobility are not legally recognised.[3] Certain predicati (territorial designations) recognised before 1922 may be attached to surnames and used in legal documents, and in most cases these were historic feudal territories of noble families. A high court ruling in 1967 definitively established that the heraldic-nobiliary legislation of the Kingdom of Italy (1861–1946) is not current law.

 

Underlined striked out part is basically what applies to us.

 

#2 Besides gloating, there's no use for it (except for passport/citizenship benefits) 




#302 arachnoid

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Posted 31 December 2014 - 10:50

It certainly makes a good conversation piece and a nice heading for letters and emails.

So you have blue blood eh! is there a title to go with it a bit like the Scottish Laird which you can get by purchasing a small piece of land? :D



#303 Draconian Guppy

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Posted 31 December 2014 - 13:19

It certainly makes a good conversation piece and a nice heading for letters and emails.

So you have blue blood eh! is there a title to go with it a bit like the Scottish Laird which you can get by purchasing a small piece of land? :D

Yeah maybe as a conversation starter, other than that :p

 

 

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#304 arachnoid

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Posted 31 December 2014 - 15:10

You should be proud of your heritage Guppy its a very historical family by the sound of it [are you the Black sheep of the family? :rolleyes: :laugh: ]

Maybe you could do a trade in for a discount to become a Scottish Laird :p :D



#305 Draconian Guppy

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Posted 31 December 2014 - 15:22

You should be proud of your heritage Guppy its a very historical family by the sound of it [are you the Black sheep of the family? :rolleyes: :laugh: ]

Maybe you could do a trade in for a discount to become a Scottish Laird :p :D

Here ye go:

 

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