rfirth Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 That's like asking if a person can be addicted to oxygen. Well, I definitely have some pretty serious withdrawal symptoms... not sure I could stand going more than a minute without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GotBored Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Actually most alcoholics drink beer and they drink ~1 a day or less. Australia must be an alcoholic country then... 1 a day or less, so if I had 2 a day I'd be okay? But if I had 1 a day or less (maybe 1 a month) I'd be an Alcoholic? Logic not found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_K Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 There's a difference between being addicted and dependant. Dependant: you've heavily addicted to a substance and NEED it at regular intervals to feel normal, miss it and you can get some pretty bad effects. Addicted: you continually reuse a substance to get effects from it, you can miss a dose and continue on as normal but might have some bad effects but you will continue to keep using said substance. You can be addicted or dependant on both alcohol and cannabis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riahc3 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Hello, This is a very broad term :D :rolleyes: There's a difference between being addicted and dependant. Dependant: you've heavily addicted to a substance and NEED it at regular intervals to feel normal, miss it and you can get some pretty bad effects. Addicted: you continually reuse a substance to get effects from it, you can miss a dose and continue on as normal but might have some bad effects but you will continue to keep using said substance. You can be addicted or dependant on both alcohol and cannabis. Your post makes no sense. You say there is a difference then you said that in order to be dependant you need to be addicted. Basically your definition of dependant is: "You heavily continue to reuse a substance to get effects from it, you can miss a dose and continue as normal but mught have some bad effects but you will continue to keep using said substance and NEED it at regular intervals to feel normal, miss it and you can get some pretty bad effects" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cork1958 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 "Two major behavioural problems are associated with regular cannabis use in humans: cognitive deficits and a general loss of motivation. Thus, in addition to being extremely dependent on the drug, regular users of cannabis show signs of memory loss and a lack of motivation that make quite hard their social insertion" Thsoe 2 major behavioural traits are so far off, this makes me think it's nothing but a scare tactic!! Smoking pot always made me MORE motivated to do things. I mean, what's the sense of getting a buzz on and then just setting around like a vegetable! Total waste of a good buzz!! :) Those cognitive deficits are something you don't get by smoking either! Always thought that some one saying pot is addictive was a fruitcake. Nothing addictive about it, IMO. He's Dead Jim 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfirth Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Australia must be an alcoholic country then... 1 a day or less, so if I had 2 a day I'd be okay? But if I had 1 a day or less (maybe 1 a month) I'd be an Alcoholic? Logic not found. You're just intentionally trying to misunderstand. I'm not saying I know the line, but there is nothing illogical about what he said. For instance: If the threshold of alcoholism is 0.5 drinks/day (one every other day), and 90% of alcoholics drink 0.66 drinks/day (2 every 3 days)... then most alcoholics drink 1 or fewer drinks per day. However, it does not follow that someone who drinks 0.4 drinks per day is an alcoholic, nor could you conclude that someone who drinks 2 drinks/day is not an alcoholic. This is a simply IQ test question. Very simple logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riahc3 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Hello, Thsoe 2 major behavioural traits are so far off, this makes me think it's nothing but a scare tactic!! Smoking pot always made me MORE motivated to do things. I mean, what's the sense of getting a buzz on and then just setting around like a vegetable! Total waste of a good buzz!! :) Those cognitive deficits are something you don't get by smoking either! Has anyone in this thread even smoked? Consuming cannabis and its aftereffects depend on so many things: Sex, weight, mood, etc. It will never "always" make you be motivated to do things (no, getting up from your couch, getting chips and soda from your kitchen, and sitting back down is not a motivation to do something). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riahc3 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Hello, You're just intentionally trying to misunderstand. I'm not saying I know the line, but there is nothing illogical about what he said. For instance: If the threshold of alcoholism is 0.5 drinks/day (one every other day), and 90% of alcoholics drink 0.66 drinks/day (2 every 3 days)... then most alcoholics drink 1 or fewer drinks per day. However, it does not follow that someone who drinks 0.4 drinks per day is an alcoholic, nor could you conclude that someone who drinks 2 drinks/day is not an alcoholic. This is a simply IQ test question. Addition to alcoholism cannot be measured by the drinks a person consumes; The reason is that alcohol (and almost any other drug) depend on each and every person: Weight, sex, mood, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollow.Droid Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Actually most alcoholics drink beer and they drink ~1 a day or less. I'd love a source on this if you don't mind? Otherwise it's complete conjecture on your part. As for the additive/non-addictive argument have a read here. The argument boils down to the difference in physical addiction (Typical junkie image of someone being sick/shaky) and mentally addictive (Habit forming/psychological need). The article states that while marijuana isn't immediately physically addictive it is mentally addictive and this change itself is one of a physical nature (Therefore technically physically addictive). However what it boils down to is the following part of the article: So the question is, how does marijuana compare to these classically addictive drugs? Estimates vary, but compared with tobacco, which hooks about 20% to 30% of smokers, marijuana is much less addictive, coming in at 9% to 10%. In contrast, 23% to 25% of heroin users get addicted, along with 15% of alcohol users and 15% to 20% of those who use cocaine. Marijuana is the most heavily used drug in the country ? by their 20s, 56% of Americans have tried it ? but only 16% of people who are in addiction treatment report that marijuana is their primary drug. In contrast, just 2% of young adults have ever tried heroin, but heroin addicts make up 14% of treatment So really, with these stats, shouldn't we be developing a similar treatment for tobacco? As a Marijuana user I fully support the development of this drug/treatment but as with tobacco and alcohol it should remain a choice rather than something mandatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 > So really, with these stats, shouldn't we be developing a similar treatment for tobacco? As a Marijuana user I fully support the development of this drug/treatment but as with tobacco and alcohol it should remain a choice rather than something mandatory. Naltrexone, an opioid antagonist, is already used in alcohol treatment and there are more targeted treatments in the pipeline. There are also several nicotinic agonists, with more coming. Try again. And IMO when an addiction becomes a legal issue, as with drunk, impaired or buzzed driving, minors etc., "volunary" treatment should go out the window and be mandated & supervised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamp0 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 @Hollow.Droid: Those addiction levels seem alot lower than I would have imagined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_K Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Hello, :rolleyes: Your post makes no sense. You say there is a difference then you said that in order to be dependant you need to be addicted. Basically your definition of dependant is: "You heavily continue to reuse a substance to get effects from it, you can miss a dose and continue as normal but mught have some bad effects but you will continue to keep using said substance and NEED it at regular intervals to feel normal, miss it and you can get some pretty bad effects" Dependant is your body relying upon a substance, addicted is you reusing something because you 'enjoy the high' not because you physically need it (at that point). Addiction turns into dependance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titoist Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 You can get addicted to marijuana... but marijuana cannot get you addicted. PERIOD! GotBored 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He's Dead Jim Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I've been hooked on booze, when I worked offshore and had big disposable income, like most addicts one never realises until something goes wrong, With me, the effects of the booze caused "withdrawl symptoms", which mainifested in grand mal siezures, like full on epileptic fits, I didnt even drink much, but the side effects were much higher in me than others, hence the "fits", It took my doctors over 6 years to work out what was causing these siezures, and then I stopped drinking, never had another siezure from booze in 30 years.... No one ever(including doctors) labelled me an "alcoholic" but by default of "alcohol withdrawl syndrome" I probably am. Yes I miss booze, but not in an "omg my life is over way" :) SWIM was smoking mj daily for years, and has regular six monthly breaks to clear SWIMS lungs, SWIM says that she has never ever been "strung out"... "SWIM"= someone who isnt me" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GotBored Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 You're just intentionally trying to misunderstand. I'm not saying I know the line, but there is nothing illogical about what he said. For instance: If the threshold of alcoholism is 0.5 drinks/day (one every other day), and 90% of alcoholics drink 0.66 drinks/day (2 every 3 days)... then most alcoholics drink 1 or fewer drinks per day. However, it does not follow that someone who drinks 0.4 drinks per day is an alcoholic, nor could you conclude that someone who drinks 2 drinks/day is not an alcoholic. This is a simply IQ test question. Very simple logic. He left the gaps open so I could intentional misinterpret it. Maybe spend less time on simple IQ tests and try something harder, might help you better understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Hello, So a person that gets off work on friday, on saturday goes to the local club, and has a few drinks and repeats every week is a alcoholic? Is that what you are saying? Before I go any further. Does he have to do it every week ? then yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GotBored Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Does he have to do it every week ? then yes. Lots of people go out every weekend for a drink, that doesn't make them alcoholics. Its called going out / having a life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
]SK[ Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Out of curiosity. How many drinks do you drink HawkMan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binary Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Hello, So a person that gets off work on friday, on saturday goes to the local club, and has a few drinks and repeats every week is a alcoholic? Is that what you are saying? Before I go any further. Depends. If their sole intention is to go out every weekend to the club to get 'smashed' then yes, they would be a weekend binge alcoholic; which is actually a lot more dangerous to the system than sustained alcohol use. If they just go out and have a few socially, then I'd guess no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srbeen Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 You're just intentionally trying to misunderstand. I'm not saying I know the line, but there is nothing illogical about what he said. For instance: If the threshold of alcoholism is 0.5 drinks/day (one every other day), and 90% of alcoholics drink 0.66 drinks/day (2 every 3 days)... then most alcoholics drink 1 or fewer drinks per day. However, it does not follow that someone who drinks 0.4 drinks per day is an alcoholic, nor could you conclude that someone who drinks 2 drinks/day is not an alcoholic. This is a simply IQ test question. Very simple logic. Quit spreading FUD. You CAN conclude that someone who drinks 2 drinks a day is NOT an alcoholic. Actually, its been done! They are not even considered an at-risk or a heavy drinker.. Source? http://rethinkingdrinking.niaaa.nih.gov/IsYourDrinkingPatternRisky/WhatsYourPattern.asp Awaiting for the rebuttal of where you got 3.5 drinks a week == alcoholism statistic. The National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcohoism don't even say that. GotBored 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srbeen Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Depends. If their sole intention is to go out every weekend to the club to get 'smashed' then yes, they would be a weekend binge alcoholic; which is actually a lot more dangerous to the system than sustained alcohol use. If they just go out and have a few socially, then I'd guess no. Depends? on what? what you feel should be considered alcoholism? If they are a male and consume more than 14 drinks in that weekend, yes. they are considered an alcoholic. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firey Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 It blocks the activity of THC, the main active ingredient in marijuana. It could lead to a treatment for marijuana addiction, which is an increasing problem. My comment was that perhaps a vaccine could be produced so there would be no "high" in new users, discouraging use from day one. And, you have a PHD in what. . .you are smarter then any doctor on the planet. . . :D By that logic we should have an anti-alcohol vaccine/drug. Alcohol is countless times worse than THC. I am yet to meet someone who NEEDS to smoke weed, it's because they want to.. it has been said many times by many doctors and journals... that THC is not addictive.. it doesn't contain addicting traits like alcohol, or nicotine. srbeen 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firey Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Depends? on what? what you feel should be considered alcoholism? If they are a male and consume more than 14 drinks in that weekend, yes. they are considered an alcoholic. Simple as that. Why do they have to be male? Are you saying females can't be alcoholics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srbeen Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Why do they have to be male? Are you saying females can't be alcoholics? They surely can, at over 7 drinks per week/weekend. Males and females respond to alcohol differently and shouldn't be classed as 'one'. http://rethinkingdrinking.niaaa.nih.gov/IsYourDrinkingPatternRisky/WhatsYourPattern.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyboard Cowboy Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 "Two major behavioural problems are associated with regular cannabis use in humans: cognitive deficits and a general loss of motivation. Thus, in addition to being extremely dependent on the drug, regular users of cannabis show signs of memory loss and a lack of motivation that make quite hard their social insertion" Thsoe 2 major behavioural traits are so far off, this makes me think it's nothing but a scare tactic!! Smoking pot always made me MORE motivated to do things. I mean, what's the sense of getting a buzz on and then just setting around like a vegetable! Total waste of a good buzz!! :) Those cognitive deficits are something you don't get by smoking either! Always thought that some one saying pot is addictive was a fruitcake. Nothing addictive about it, IMO. I saw that as well... Their so full of it... srbeen 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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