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#136 CJEric

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 16:57

Modern consumption of meat isn't really "violent" either. It's industrial and largely mechanical.  

And in the process making it much more, not less violent (albeit largely invisible to the consumer)

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Posted 13 January 2014 - 03:05

Battery farming is pretty much impossible to defend.



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Posted 13 January 2014 - 13:01

All mammals share some portion of the same DNA.

ANIMALS as a group share DNA, RNA, enzymes and proteins with plants too. Ex: humans share 35% of proteins with one of the green algaes.

So, WTF do we eat now? Rocks?

And in the process making it much more, not less violent (albeit largely invisible to the consumer)

Growing vegetables and fruits, and often preparing them to varying degrees, is also invisible to consumers because of simple logistics. That won't change for any foodstuff.

Look, we evolved as omnivores and we remain that way because it's advantageous to our survival: as generalists we can eat anything from bugs to rugs and thus better survive famine. That should not change.

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Posted 13 January 2014 - 13:07

So, WTF do we eatnow? Rocks?

 

Let's start with Morrissey! ;)



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Posted 13 January 2014 - 15:54

Look, we evolved as omnivores and we remain that way because it's advantageous to our survival: as generalists we can eat anything from bugs to rugs and thus better survive famine. That should not change.

You'll find the majority of doctors nowadays recommending a near-vegetarian diet because of its health advantages. Most of us would live much healthier if we ate less meat. It is also possible to completely eliminate meat from your diet (should you wish to do so) without negatively impacting your health. Famine is not the problem in first-world countries. Obesity is.

 

Since there is no health advantage to eating meat (certainly not in the amounts we eat it), the question of the right amount of animal products to consume and in what way they ought to have been 'produced' is primarily a moral one – weighing human pleasure against (non-human) animal suffering. Excuse me if I would rather not get into that discussion here as I feel like a thread with a title like this is not the proper place to have that particular discussion in any kind of depth. I would only suggest to be careful not to turn descriptive statements into normative ones. Just because we evolved a certain way or a majority of us behave a certain way doesn't make it automatically right to continue behaving in that way.  



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Posted 13 January 2014 - 16:32

Strict veggies don't consume diary products.

 

Nope.  Sorry, that is not a definition of so-called "strict" vegetarianism at all.  It is the abstaining of the consumption of animal meat.  STRICT vegetarians also don't consume the byproducts of animal slaughter.

 

No mention of dairy or such exists until you start straying towards veganism - which is a long way from strict vegetarianism.

 

You'll find the majority of doctors nowadays recommending a near-vegetarian diet because of its health advantages.

 

Source?  My nutritionist laughed when I put this to her.

 

Most of us would live much healthier if we ate less meat.

 

Red meat, yes - although we are built to eat and digest it - we do so in much higher quantities than we originally did.  White meat including poultry and fish?  Not at all.



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Posted 13 January 2014 - 17:42

Source?  My nutritionist laughed when I put this to her. 

I don't have a source for that at hand, it's just my impression. I guess we could also argue about the definition of "near-vegetarian". Here's just one example from a reputable source:

 

 

2. Go with plants. Eating a plant-based diet is healthiest. Make half your plate vegetables and fruits. Cook with healthy plant oils, like olive and canola oil. Get most or all of your protein from beans, nuts and seeds, or tofu. Check out these delicious healthy recipes that bring the Healthy Eating Pyramid and Healthy Eating Plate into your kitchen.





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