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You need to move on, not everything needs to be visible for a UI to work

 

You're right, not everything needs to be visible for a UI to work. But it could be if it were properly designed and had a visual diagram. It would afford the user less work to manage the program. It seems like a good idea to me.

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And cluttered? Maybe you'd like to tell me how awesome it is to click twice for everything to bring up that icon bar? Why is it better for clicking twice? It's supposed to be a program, not a painting. And the cut off pages, and the poor color scheming. It's a formatting nightmare.

 

Who said anything about clicking twice? And I strongly disagree with your other points but that's a matter of opinion.

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Captions Buttons. And cheating at designing a good interface. In case anyone has been paying attention, this is why people hate metro. It's not a painting. It's a program. No one likes hidden controls except for anyone calling it "Stylish." Which it's Not. It's a cheap trick for the designer to think they've out smarted actually having to take some time and come up with a decent interface.

 

And cluttered? Maybe you'd like to tell me how awesome it is to click twice for everything to bring up that icon bar? Why is it better for clicking twice? It's supposed to be a program, not a painting. And the cut off pages, and the poor color scheming. It's a formatting nightmare.

Did you ever right-click in Windows 7?
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Not just any consumers, I feel like they're paying more attention to the trolls on Reddit, than to any consumer with a legitimate concern.

 

Windows 8.1 Update 1 is looking more and more like trash each day, and that MSFT developers and managers have lost their ingenuity. I guess this blog (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/stories/design/) went right out the window.

The trolls on Reddit?

 

Look I like Windows 8 probably as much as you do (I hate start screen replacers and the like). I think the modern UI philosophy and design style is intuitive, unique, and a welcome breath of fresh air in a stagnant desktop space. The problem is (something you clearly don't understand) is we are greatly outnumbered by people who appreciate what they have vs. what they have to gain. MS should have rolled out the modern UI infrastructure one step at a time and ween'd the masses off the start menu over multiple versions and made damn sure that their common API across all their platforms was ready to go.

 

Face the facts...they got to jumpy and ultimately jumped too soon. They are simply ahead of the times.

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You're right, not everything needs to be visible for a UI to work. But it could be if it were properly designed and had a visual diagram. It would afford the user less work to manage the program. It seems like a good idea to me.

The design is going to be app-dependent, and out of Microsoft's hands. The Start screen itself, for example, is used in about 99% of instances to view information, launch programs, or search for content. Since people don't spend much time customizing, that option must be toggled into view. Certainly there are programs that would benefit from a larger number of exposed tools, and others that exist primarily to display content. I think the Metro environment has as much influence on sensible design as the desktop environment does - the latter in which you'll find graceful UIs and others that look like train wrecks.

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Internet Explorer 11.0.3 fixed these two mentioned bugs as well:

WebGL

https://connect.microsoft.com/IE/feedback/details/810829/glsl-mat3-constructor-taking-a-mat4-is-not-supported#tabs

https://connect.microsoft.com/IE/feedback/details/814134/ie11-webgl-vertexattribpointer-only-support-the-type-float

https://connect.microsoft.com/IE/feedback/details/806361/webgl-gl-vertexattribpointer-with-gl-unsigned-byte-is-not-supported#tabs

https://connect.microsoft.com/IE/feedback/details/799709/ie-11-unable-to-use-parameter-qualifiers-out-inout-in-glsl-functions#tabs

I want to test WebGL Testsuite with my flaky Internet connection on 11.0.3 but it gives so unreliable result to me and sometime browser also show "recover webpage error"; below one is the only result I can manage to get.

1.0.1: 10083 of 11655 passed, 1 timed out

This demo also works fine now: http://threejs.org/examples/webgl_loader_vtk.html

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Did you ever right-click in Windows 7?

 

Yes, I did. I had the context options right next to the cursor.

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Does anyone here have the leaked build? Has anyone tried selecting multiple tiles on the start screen? Has anyone figured out how that works yet?

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Does anyone here have the leaked build? Has anyone tried selecting multiple tiles on the start screen? Has anyone figured out how that works yet?

 

Press "Ctrl" and click on as many as you want...

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While update 1 is going to be pushed out via windows update it makes sense for it to be that way. I'm sure it's going to install like service packs have in the past while going from Windows 8 to 8.1 was like upgrading to a major new OS version so it made more sense for that to go out through the Windows Store.  I bet Windows 9 will also go out through the Windows Store again next year.

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While update 1 is going to be pushed out via windows update it makes sense for it to be that way. I'm sure it's going to install like service packs have in the past while going from Windows 8 to 8.1 was like upgrading to a major new OS version so it made more sense for that to go out through the Windows Store.  I bet Windows 9 will also go out through the Windows Store again next year.

 

That's not going to help those who have yet to upgrade to 8.1. BTW, where have you seen it'll be delivered through WU?

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That's not going to help those who have yet to upgrade to 8.1. BTW, where have you seen it'll be delivered through WU?

Even if they're still on 8.0, MS can push out a notification to get them to upgrade right to 8.1 update 1, just keep nagging them about it and they'll upgrade or let them stay on 8.0 if they really want to, it's their loss.

 

As far as the WU bit, that's what the rumors say because they want all the 8.1 users to upgrade to it so they'll force it out as a critical update through WU like they've done with service packs.  In the future I think only full new versions should be pushed out through the store, like 9 and then 10 etch while any .1 updates should go through WU.

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WZOR in his blog with Windows 8.1 2014 Update build 9600.16610 screen-shots, claims that this build is RTM Escrow, naturally, ATM we could only take his word for it.  :) 

 

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Bing didn't translate completely, so here's Google translate:


 

fourth assembly test version Windows 8.1 2014 Update: 6.3.9600.16608.WINBLUES14_GDR_LEAN.140130-2030 we "called" Bill Gates (Bill Gates) and happily reported that he still managed to install Windows 8.1 2014 Update.
He was so happy that he shared with us MSU installation files allegedly first Escrow RTM Build 6.3.9600.16610.WINBLUE_S14.140201-1007
In turn, we are just so excited that Bill Gates (Bill Gates) was able to carry out his wish and just share with you the good news by providing these files 

 

 

 

 ........... btw, is it already 12:00 a.m., Moscow?  :laugh:

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Update: well, in about 6 hours  :)

 

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Thread moved to the Beta subforum for discussion of pre-release/unfinalized Windows versions.

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 If you see news about build 9600.16xxx, then it won't be the final release(RTM) - according to a post by @wbpluto(the same MS guy who posted screen-shots of build 9418), it will be build 9600.170xx or 9600.17xxx. :)

 

 .... WZOR had said 9600.16610 is in RTM Escrow, but if it is still in development stage, then there would be a chance that the "new features" in WP8.1 would also appear in the 2014 Update.

 

http://bbs.pcbeta.com/viewthread-1477177-1-1.html

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With all the changes in update 1 they should just bump the build number like they did with service packs before.

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With all the changes in update 1 they should just bump the build number like they did with service packs before.

For win7SP1, it got the new build no,. 7601 in the pre-release stage:

beta: 7601.16537
RC: 7601.17105 
RTM: 7601.17514
So it's unlikely that MS had prepared to give win8.1 2014UD a new build no. 

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For win7SP1, it got the new build no,. 7601 in the pre-release stage:

beta: 7601.16537
RC: 7601.17105 
RTM: 7601.17514
So it's unlikely that MS had prepared to give win8.1 2014UD a new build no. 

 

With the amount of changes in update 1, they should make it just 8.2. This update has changes that is really good, so a bump in the number would be great. Plus Windows 8.1 update 1 just sounds stupid.  

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With the amount of changes in update 1, they should make it just 8.2. This update has changes that is really good, so a bump in the number would be great. Plus Windows 8.1 update 1 just sounds stupid.  

The rumor inside MS was 8.11, there never was any speculation of 8.2, it's just some imagination/invention by journalists. :)

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The rumor inside MS was 8.11, there never was any speculation of 8.2, it's just some imagination/invention by journalists. :)

They ought to call it 'Windows 8.11 for Workgroups'.

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They ought to call it 'Windows 8.11 for Workgroups'.

Yup, lmao, that's what came to my mind when I first heard this. :laugh:

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jeez the phenomenon known as "we can't name our own damn updates acording to a fixed naming convention".... They are thinking:  "should we call it: w8.1 update 1. or w8.2 or w8.11 or w.8.1.1"

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If they want it to be such a touchscreen OS, maybe they should follow the naming convention of the other touchscreen-first OS's and name it 8.1.1  :whistle:

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