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#31 BajiRav

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 19:00

I'm not arguing over it, the whole article/comic was complete nonsense. I'm just struggling to understand why BajiRav can't achieve what he's describing without the original X1 DRM, because everyone else is already doing it. If you want to be 100% digital today, you can be.

I think I have spent enough words explaining the benefits of original X1 DRM (misnomer because even PS4 has DRM but whatever) over purely digital. I have no idea why it is so difficult to understand the difference between buying a digital game from Target/BestBuy/Amazon vs buying it from MS/Sony stores. You are smarter than this.
No console today is doing what MS described for XB1 in May. The closest parallel is Steam but there were some differences.


#32 trooper11

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 19:10

I'm not arguing over it, the whole article/comic was complete nonsense. I'm just struggling to understand why BajiRav can't achieve what he's describing without the original X1 DRM, because everyone else is already doing it. If you want to be 100% digital today, you can be.


Retail games man, that's why. This isn't about just games sold digitally. MS wanted a way for those that sill prefer to buy physical copies of games to have a way to tap into the positive features that usually were restricted to digital only titles. PC gaming offers a similar option, but there is currently no options that allow for digitally trading or reselling a game that was bought physically.

Plus, there are other drm schemes that could achieve what MS wanted, the 24 hr check in was not the only option, so who knows why it was chosen. They chose badly that's all.
 
 

That isn't what BajiRav brought up in his OP though. I'm aware of all those reasons and more why people believe the DRM was good. Fact is, it's not required to achieve it as demo'd by Valve/Steam and MS even saying they'll bring back some of the features.
 
I find it really ironic when people who are arguing for an all online console with DD but then moan about their bandwidth caps. Because MS' inital plans would have stopped that being an issue? :unsure:


As I said before, the reason the drm existed in the first place had to be because people still want to buy games physically. MS considered going digital only, but then reality hit them in the face and so they tried to create a hybrid system that would still allow those physical purchases but tie it all under one digital management umbrella.

MS is clearly going to bring back features they had planned, just focusing on digital purchases and leaving retail purchases as they are. That means they don't need to worry about managing retail purchases in that system.

Also, I don't think the point being made is that the 24 hr check itself was great, just that the features related to tying physical games to a digital system could be good. I know there have been people that defend the 24hr check itself, but I don't get that at all. There were other drm options that would have worked and most people would have accepted them.

#33 Andrew

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 19:11

I think I have spent enough words explaining the benefits of original X1 DRM (misnomer because even PS4 has DRM but whatever) over purely digital. I have no idea why it is so difficult to understand the difference between buying a digital game from Target/BestBuy/Amazon vs buying it from MS/Sony stores. You are smarter than this.
No console today is doing what MS described for XB1 in May. The closest parallel is Steam but there were some differences.

 

There isn't one?

 

In one post you'd have me believe that Microsoft were going to rival Steam on their sales with their own and we'd all fall in love with it.

 

The next I think you're implying that Microsoft would price it so highly, you'd still get a bargain from 3rd party stores so nobody would buy from them directly anyway.

 

Which is it? :s

 

Your initial post & reply to AB was pointing out the irony in people enjoying the ability of playing games without swapping discs. AB & I replied saying that is possible (and has been since 2008 for XBLM). So what's the problem? How has this turned into transferring from disc to digital and prices/bandwidth/sharing.

 

If you can't answer that directly with a straight answer, then you're doing an even worse job of it than Microsoft and their PR.



#34 Athernar

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 19:35

Retail games man, that's why. This isn't about just games sold digitally. MS wanted a way for those that sill prefer to buy physical copies of games to have a way to tap into the positive features that usually were restricted to digital only titles. PC gaming offers a similar option, but there is currently no options that allow for digitally trading or reselling a game that was bought physically.

Plus, there are other drm schemes that could achieve what MS wanted, the 24 hr check in was not the only option, so who knows why it was chosen. They chose badly that's all.

 

If you want the positive features of a digital system, buy digitally. It's really as simple as that, you cannot mix the two without making a huge mess and screwing someone over.

 

"Well, I still like discs..." is nothing but useless sentimentality.



#35 BajiRav

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 20:30

There isn't one?
 
In one post you'd have me believe that Microsoft were going to rival Steam on their sales with their own and we'd all fall in love with it.
 
The next I think you're implying that Microsoft would price it so highly, you'd still get a bargain from 3rd party stores so nobody would buy from them directly anyway.
 
Which is it? :s
 
Your initial post & reply to AB was pointing out the irony in people enjoying the ability of playing games without swapping discs. AB & I replied saying that is possible (and has been since 2008 for XBLM). So what's the problem? How has this turned into transferring from disc to digital and prices/bandwidth/sharing.
 
If you can't answer that directly with a straight answer, then you're doing an even worse job of it than Microsoft and their PR.

Never did I claim in this thread that MS would discount digital games like steam. The irony is already explained in a previous post.
The difference in buying digital games on a disk from Target and downloading from MS/Sony should be obvious. You are intention being obtuse for some unknown reason.

#36 Andrew

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 20:39

I'm not intentionally being obtuse, I'm just trying to get a straight answer from you. Doesn't look like I'm getting one so I'm done with this topic.



#37 trooper11

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 23:17

If you want the positive features of a digital system, buy digitally. It's really as simple as that, you cannot mix the two without making a huge mess and screwing someone over.
 
"Well, I still like discs..." is nothing but useless sentimentality.


That's all well and good, but unfortunately you don't speak for many, many people that simply want a physical copy of what they own. If they could get some kind of physical backup of what they buy digitally, they would do that.

If everyone was cool with buying digital, then we wouldn't see the resistance we see today from many people when the topic of a DD only console for instance.

But as you said, the answer is clear: keep them separate

Bring out all the digital features you want and keep them restricted to digitally purchased content. Everyone wins, discussion over.

#38 trooper11

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 23:30

I'm not intentionally being obtuse, I'm just trying to get a straight answer from you. Doesn't look like I'm getting one so I'm done with this topic.



You two need to just hug it out and move on :D