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#1 Audioboxer

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Posted 17 January 2014 - 17:02

According to Nelson, we should all just be glad that the consoles are selling well, whichever machine we favor. "Both new platforms are off to a great start," he wrote. "We all should be celebrating a healthy vibrant industry. Sony has done a good job and they should be commended. The hate that infects gaming in the online space needs to go away." Daww.

"Sony will sell a ton," Hryb added down the page. "We will sell a ton. The industry is doing well...and consumers have choice."

This echoes recent comments to OXM by Microsoft Studios headman Phil Spencer, who said of Sony that he "really respects their focus on investing in new things and creative things". Spencer also had praise for Nintendo, observing that "their first-party is such an amazing asset."

 

 

Source: http://www.oxm.co.uk...eds-to-go-away/

 

Hard not to agree  (Y)

 

But hating individual decisions that make up the whole console(s), that's another matter. Sadly not every decision pushed through is rainbows and unicorns  :cat:




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Posted 17 January 2014 - 17:07

Ironically both companies fueled the hate in the first place, which he fails to mention. They loved it last gen.

 

It used to be really bad but at least it's confined to conventions 99% of the time now, when the gloves come off during big announcements.



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Posted 17 January 2014 - 17:09

He can't take the heat that Microsoft largely brought onto themselves in various ways.



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Posted 17 January 2014 - 17:21

Ironically both companies fueled the hate in the first place, which he fails to mention. They loved it last gen.

 

It used to be really bad but at least it's confined to conventions 99% of the time now, when the gloves come off during big announcements.

 

I guess they're just getting smarter and realizing the real battle now is won by hiding corporate/PR fluff behind intelligent faces. Shuhei/Kaz/Jack in recent times have done a good job of becoming internet "gods" simply by tweaking how they do the exact same jobs they've been doing for years. Not appearing as such cold hearted business dicks, even although they're still trying to brainwash the minds of the masses into corporate loyalty lol.

 

MS needs some more friendly faces, Albert Pennello managed to brew one heck of a storm on GAF, the Major not fairing as bad, simply by trying to do the PR cloud/tech talk where it can't really be done. Don Mattrick was the worst though, good thing he's gone. And before anyone says GAF/Twitter/*insert gaming site is irrelevant*, sorry, the popular gaming hangouts of the internet are never irrelevant, regardless of your opinion on them. There are thousands of hearts and minds for the picking on such sites, not trying to win over people on them is simply not doing your companies relations any good.

 

That chap from Sony who ran the PSBlog almost single handidly in the beginning, Jeff, should get given some more limelight. I've always said MS need something to really compete with the PSBlog. Their social presence is really kind of lacking, or should I say charming social presence before anyone links me to MN's individual blog. They need to get the family feeling going, and hide the corporate face better.

 

One of the worst interview in recent times was the MN/AJ

 

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The amount of pressure the MS execs must of been under to sell the heck out of DRM and defend it would have blown the average persons weak mind, but they're in these job roles and earning the money they do because they were deemed the right "men/women". Still, find me a recent Sony/Nintendo PR mouthpiece behaving like that on camera... (taking the mic/interrupting/being sharp) Online mindset really has been a thorn in MS' side, especially since E3 onwards last year.

 

I mean MS were even second to buttering up Boogie (youtube internet famous gamer, otherwise known as Francis). Boogie said both companies planned to interact with him, so it was good to know MS didn't simply see Sony do it and send out MN in a scramble. But still, Sony got their first and clearly won over Boogies mind more convincingly than MS. Just another example of online PR not going as well as it could have. 

 

Finally I know it's not a big one, as it's coming, but MS on form would have had Twitch on the Xbox much quicker than Sony. I mean they announced it first, most people thought they had exclusivity, demoed it at E3 and now it's still months away. It has a niche audience, but again it's that same old, loud, unafraid to speak and vicious internet niche audience. If you want to start winning that mindset sometimes focussing on the niche will have the loudest ripple effect. 



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Posted 18 January 2014 - 00:00

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I completely agree with you on everything there, but I think they've learnt now to finally shut up. Last year was probably MS' worst year to date PR wise and it'll take a long time til they're respected again by those they turned away. Major Nelson needs to learn to dial it back because after all, he isn't an engineer or software guy, so regardless of what is explained to him behind the scenes, there's no way he can comment with any concrete knowledge how easy or not it is to do something. Lest you end up with more AJ incidents which really hurt his integrity online from what I've seen. Don was great in his first few years, but as soon as the exclusives dried up and Kinect/Apps were on the scene, it was downhill and he didn't connect with the gamers anymore. I can't stand Phil Spencer (he reminds me of Jack Tretton early PS3-era). Albert Pennello needs banned from NeoGAF because the guy just doesn't know when to shut up.

 

It took me a long long time to warm to Sony with the PS3. Those first 4 years were excruciating to go through just as a consumer, god knows what it was like as a stock holder or employee. After the 2011 hack I think they finally realised that people respect and warm to the honest approach without the PR BS they'd been known for. I used to hate Jack's smarm attitude and I won't even begin on my opinion of Phil Harrison. I definitely think they've been lucky that MS have gifted them so many easy responses to the controversies X1 had, but they're much more tactile in their approach now too. However, at E3 and the months surrounding it, I can definitely see why people would be frustrated at them for the PS4 sharing video they did. It was a low blow but if anyone else was in the same position you'd not likely pass it up either. I doubt we'll see that continue and they'll go back to respectful ways from now on.



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Posted 18 January 2014 - 00:18

The hate that infects gaming in the online space needs to go away." Daww.

 

 

Agreed...and this can be, and should be, applied to a lot of other situations as well.



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Posted 18 January 2014 - 00:21

He can't take the heat that Microsoft largely brought onto themselves in various ways.

 

.... what ?are you reading something else than everyone else here ? 



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Posted 18 January 2014 - 02:28

.... what ?are you reading something else than everyone else here ? 

 

No, I think its just you.



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Posted 18 January 2014 - 02:55

I'm PC all the way now, but I don't see why the hate between platforms needs to go away. Both of them need and are better with the competition.

 

Edit: Online hate, yes, of course. But not the war of the platforms in general.



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Posted 18 January 2014 - 03:35

The internet bubble is a tough place to be if your a company involved in a war between fans.

As far as MS specifically, they definitely brought the avalanche on themselves with poor PR, community involvement, and poor execution on their roll out plan for the X1. That doesn't mean people that go way too far have the right to do so, but it does mean that its harder to stamp them out when there is a real issue to deal with. MS seems to have learned the lesson, luckily before launch, and are trying to really engage with the community, so we will see if their PR has improved at the next E3.

In general, the problem is that MS, Sony, and so many other companies have encouraged this behavior in various ways in the past. So if they both want to try and ease the pressure, I'm happy to see them do it. Unfortunately, even if they don't encourage the behavior anymore, many of the websites that we in the gaming community bubble follow are happy to keep stoking the fires. 'Internet personalities' that populate twitch and YouTube also find it perfectly cool to stock the fires.

I don't think anyone is saying that their should not be discourse or discussions on what you like or don't like about a console. MN here seems to be talking directly about the people that take it too far. If everyone behaved and didn't become online jerks in the process of talking about this stuff, there wouldn't be a console war and I think more people would participate in the conversations. Talking about gaming online has a reputation among those that don't follow it. Most of my friends, for example, simply have no interest in joining the various forums and making comments because they see it as just a bunch of angry people trying to prove that what they like is the best. They will read reviews online and such, but that is as far as it goes.


I'm PC all the way now, but I don't see why the hate between platforms needs to go away. Both of them need and are better with the competition.
 
Edit: Online hate, yes, of course. But not the war of the platforms in general.


I'm not sure why a console war is required to spur competition. It just seems to make the whole gaming community look a little more childish to the outside world. Hate is not required. The only thing required for healthy competition is for people to speak with their wallets.

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Posted 18 January 2014 - 04:17

Source: http://www.oxm.co.uk...eds-to-go-away/

 

Hard not to agree  (Y)

 

But hating individual decisions that make up the whole console(s), that's another matter. Sadly not every decision pushed through is rainbows and unicorns  :cat:

the truth is if Xbox one was outselling PS4 then this article wouldnt even exist... they will bitch about Ps4 saying its a failure

 

like this http://www.oxm.co.uk...says-microsoft/



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Posted 18 January 2014 - 04:27

the truth is if Xbox one was outselling PS4 then this article wouldnt even exist... they will bitch about Ps4 saying its a failure
 
like this http://www.oxm.co.uk...says-microsoft/


Possible, and yet Sony seems to be falling in line with MS on this kind of talk. It seems like both are interested in playing it differently than in the past.

Now, that does not mean both companies will stop putting out facts when they are on the winning side of those facts. MS just announced they sold the most consoles in December and Sony announced the same back in November. It just means they might not go that extra mile to rub it in, the kind of stuff that stokes the internet army so to speak. Putting out info like that is not what MN is talking about anyway. Its directed at the comments that take things too far, mostly originating from various forums and social media places.

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Posted 18 January 2014 - 14:02

The internet bubble is a tough place to be if your a company involved in a war between fans.

As far as MS specifically, they definitely brought the avalanche on themselves with poor PR, community involvement, and poor execution on their roll out plan for the X1. That doesn't mean people that go way too far have the right to do so, but it does mean that its harder to stamp them out when there is a real issue to deal with. MS seems to have learned the lesson, luckily before launch, and are trying to really engage with the community, so we will see if their PR has improved at the next E3.

In general, the problem is that MS, Sony, and so many other companies have encouraged this behavior in various ways in the past. So if they both want to try and ease the pressure, I'm happy to see them do it. Unfortunately, even if they don't encourage the behavior anymore, many of the websites that we in the gaming community bubble follow are happy to keep stoking the fires. 'Internet personalities' that populate twitch and YouTube also find it perfectly cool to stock the fires.

I don't think anyone is saying that their should not be discourse or discussions on what you like or don't like about a console. MN here seems to be talking directly about the people that take it too far. If everyone behaved and didn't become online jerks in the process of talking about this stuff, there wouldn't be a console war and I think more people would participate in the conversations. Talking about gaming online has a reputation among those that don't follow it. Most of my friends, for example, simply have no interest in joining the various forums and making comments because they see it as just a bunch of angry people trying to prove that what they like is the best. They will read reviews online and such, but that is as far as it goes.



I'm not sure why a console war is required to spur competition. It just seems to make the whole gaming community look a little more childish to the outside world. Hate is not required. The only thing required for healthy competition is for people to speak with their wallets.


Speaking with your wallet is easier in a more densely populated market, eg, PC components, brands of food, clothing brands.

You need to remember our choices for console gaming falls on the fingers of one hand. It really isn't easy to vote with your wallet at times, especially when your mind is saying no, but your passion for being a gamer still wants you to buy the latest, have the most modern equipment, etc.

Just saying that although I agree with the action behind the statement, I do empathize with how difficult it can be to actually go through with it.

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Posted 18 January 2014 - 15:02

Speaking with your wallet is easier in a more densely populated market, eg, PC components, brands of food, clothing brands.

You need to remember our choices for console gaming falls on the fingers of one hand. It really isn't easy to vote with your wallet at times, especially when your mind is saying no, but your passion for being a gamer still wants you to buy the latest, have the most modern equipment, etc.

Just saying that although I agree with the action behind the statement, I do empathize with how difficult it can be to actually go through with it.

I don't see why the hate needs to exist though. You can prefer one console over another but why would someone hate the other consoles? That neogaf thread on paid MS advertising is a prime example of this "hate" referred by MN.



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Posted 18 January 2014 - 15:26

I don't see why the hate needs to exist though. You can prefer one console over another but why would someone hate the other consoles? That neogaf thread on paid MS advertising is a prime example of this "hate" referred by MN.

 

Are you trying to say something positive should come out of that though? You cant simply expect no hate for shoddy decisions, as if its true that paid advertising really is simply a crappy decision and deserves hate. Tactics like that belong in an American politicians race, not the gaming scene. As I have said before individually crap decisions can be hated without blanket hating/accusations of it being blanket hate.





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