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#1 Nomad_

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Posted 18 January 2014 - 01:37

Microsoft employees reportedly call Windows 8 ‘the new Vista’

 

http://bgr.com/2014/...sta-comparison/

 

We’ve argued in the past that it wouldn’t be fair to compare Windows 8 to Vista, in part because Vista was widely hated by many Windows users while Windows 8 is merely polarizing. In other words, even though Microsoft surely wishes more people liked Windows 8, it can at least take solace in the fact that the new platform has its share of passionate fans and advocates.

 

However, the well-connected Paul Thurrott says that’s not how Microsoft is internally looking at things. In fact, Thurrott says that Microsoft employees are internally referring to Windows 8 as “the new Vista,” which is a seeming admission that the platform has not achieved its goals of reigniting interest in PCs and needs some serious changes.

 

In a followup tweet, Thurrott explains that the view from within Microsoft is that Windows 8 has been at least as bad as Vista in terms of sales and market acceptance while adding that Vista might actually have sold better than Windows 8 when it was at this point in its life cycle.

 

Add it all up and it looks like Microsoft has a lot of work to do before it launches Windows 9 next year, because its big bet that making a more touch-centric version of Windows would revive PC sales has clearly not paid off.




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Posted 18 January 2014 - 01:39

windows generally has been on a good release bad release schedule for the last 10-14 years

 

2000 good

ME bad

XP good

vista bad

windows7 good

windows 8 bad

 

to be honest vista got a bad rep and i thought it wasn't the devil but it was a lot worse when you compared it to how great 7 was 



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Posted 18 January 2014 - 01:43

Idiots:shifty:



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Posted 18 January 2014 - 01:43

Vista was considered bad at the time because the lack of driver support and the fact people were trying to install it on a crappy pc. Vista really brought computing a big step ahead, without it there wouldn't be windows 7 or 8.

Windows 8 doesn't suffer the same problem, the problem it has is a big learning curve and a whole redesign.

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Posted 18 January 2014 - 01:46

Its Ballmer era: start with Vista, ended with New Vista.

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Posted 18 January 2014 - 01:46

Microsoft is in a pickle.  If they don't change things up, people call them a dinosaur that doesn't keep up with the times.  If they do, people complain that they're changing a platform that was perfectly fine thank you very much, and by the way I want my start menu back.

 

Personally, I think Windows 8 is revolutionary and more than just one step in the right direction, albeit not perfect.  But what do I know.



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Posted 18 January 2014 - 01:48

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Posted 18 January 2014 - 01:50

Vista was considered bad at the time because the lack of driver support and the fact people were trying to install it on a crappy pc. Vista really brought computing a big step ahead, without it there wouldn't be windows 7 or 8.

Windows 8 doesn't suffer the same problem, the problem it has is a big learning curve and a whole redesign.

i agree, and i want to clarify my post above in that "bad" meant different things for each OS

 

Vista didn't have the drivers or hardware to make it shine and it took so long to be released the longhorn visions made it look pretty half baked. that being said, years down the line on the same hardware windows7 ran like a champ while vista on the same laptop had things it struggled with

 

windows8 is bad because it removed things people came to love about windows7 like the searching in the start menu, the glass look and the desktop first perception.

 

if you have a windows tablet i don't think windows8 is bad in anyway just not as mature as it will be 



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Posted 18 January 2014 - 02:13

That's not very fair to Vista...  :shifty:



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Posted 18 January 2014 - 02:18

IMHO, its impossible to compare the two.. There were literally things that prevented you from using Vista and it was slow even on fast systems.

 

There is absolutely NOTHING that keeps you from using Windows 8. The desktop is still there.. No one should care if MS tried to make the best of both worlds in one product. People would just be complaining about having another SKU for tablets if it had made a separate one. Oh, and if you press the windows key in windows 7, there is a box to search and get results. Guess what happens when you press the windows key and type something in windows 8...... A search box with results.

 

I am glad Metro is integrated with Win8 because the UI has basically been the same since Windows 95.. If it aint broke you don't have to fix it but if its old something new should replace it.



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Posted 18 January 2014 - 02:26

I am glad Metro is integrated with Win8 because the UI has basically been the same since Windows 95.. If it aint broke you don't have to fix it but if its old something new should replace it.

 

That only works if the 'something new' is better, and in 8's case that 'something new' isn't better. Hell, that 'something new' doesn't even fit properly on the main platform for windows, the desktop.



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Posted 18 January 2014 - 02:31

There is absolutely NOTHING that keeps you from using Windows 8. The desktop is still there.. No one should care if MS tried to make the best of both worlds in one product. 

The "best" of both worlds comes with a price.



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Posted 18 January 2014 - 02:54

What don't people like about Windows 8? I enjoy using it. I'm going to switch back to Windows once my iMac dies.



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Posted 18 January 2014 - 02:58

Microsoft is in a pickle.  If they don't change things up, people call them a dinosaur that doesn't keep up with the times.  If they do, people complain that they're changing a platform that was perfectly fine thank you very much, and by the way I want my start menu back.

 

Personally, I think Windows 8 is revolutionary and more than just one step in the right direction, albeit not perfect.  But what do I know.

 

The problem isn't that they changed, they just didn't do it well. Eventually they'll get it right. One thing is for sure, Modern UI is the best Microsoft solution for mobile devices. And they're rethinking their vision of how that plays with the desktop, which was the major mistake. Not having apps ready and some of the incomplete ecosystem was also a mistake.



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Posted 18 January 2014 - 03:07

I'm not shocked to hear this.

Windows 8 is getting similar hate to Vista, so I'm sure many within MS feel its on the same level. That public hate has spilled over into the general user group and made it hard for MS to get over the hump, not mention all the other factors that are pushing the pc market down. So even when MS does improve the situation, its hard to convince people to even give it a chance. Vista had the same problem.

Its just interesting to see people post on topics like this. You can really tell who hates it and who is fine with it. Oh and when I say fine, I don't mean they think its perfect. Plus, people seem so obsessed with Metro on Win 8.


That only works if the 'something new' is better, and in 8's case that 'something new' isn't better. Hell, that 'something new' doesn't even fit properly on the main platform for windows, the desktop.


You know, there are actually improvements to the desktop as well, including performance.