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#16 Knive Party

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 22:45

Before the MS Windows 8 apologists come and trounce this thread....

 

HP have clearly done their research otherwise they wouldn't have done this!

get ready to be flamed.




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Posted 20 January 2014 - 00:10

So only haters are allowed to post in this thread?

 

Don't twist my words.



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 16:29

HP know that people are inherently lazy and fear change of any kind.

 

 

Seriously....?? Ya don't think maybe it's because it turns out that consumers aren't the rubes microsoft thought they were and they've rejected tifkam as the (blank) that it is.....???

 

It's not tifkam, it's just misunderstood. It's the peoples' fault.



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 16:39

Don't forget that this doesn't mean that they have stopped offering Windows 8. They just seem to understand that everyone is different and prefers different things.

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Posted 20 January 2014 - 16:45

Good call by HP.



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 16:48

Don't forget that this doesn't mean that they have stopped offering Windows 8. They just seem to understand that everyone is different and prefers different things.

 

it has nothing to do with that. this is part of the "war" hp declared on Microsoft recently, which I find pretty humorous. first, they armed themselves with chromebooks and android tablets. it seems the plan has quickly crumbled.



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 16:52

Good call by HP.

 

A better one would be making decent computers. It doesn't matter what version of Windows is running on the computer if the hardware itself is junk.



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 16:58

it has nothing to do with that. this is part of the "war" hp declared on Microsoft recently, which I find pretty humorous. first, they armed themselves with chromebooks and android tablets. it seems the plan has quickly crumbled.

I've not seen anything about this "war" other than HP moving towards Android devices while also pointing out that Microsoft moving in to hardware makes them competitors, but since I can't find any specific mention about why they have made this decision, your guess is as good as mine. Personally I would consider it more of a business move than an act of agression. Offer Windows 7 as well as Windows 8 to cater to your customer's wants.

EDIT: I should probably reword that last bit as you're not saying that HP have done this as an act of agression, you're saying that they are going back on their plans with Android. But still, I may as well leave it.

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Posted 20 January 2014 - 17:07

it has nothing to do with that. this is part of the "war" hp declared on Microsoft recently, which I find pretty humorous.

I bet HP would feel quite silly if they knew W7 is a MS product.. They need new strategists, like those scroogled guys. They're brilliant!



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 17:08

This isn't surprising at all. OEMs have always offered the option to buy a laptop or PC with the previous version of Windows pre-installed. :)



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 17:11

I've not seen anything about this "war" other than HP moving towards Android devices while also pointing out that Microsoft moving in to hardware makes them competitors, but since I can't find any specific mention about why they have made this decision, your guess is as good as mine. Personally I would consider it more of a business move than an act of agression. Offer Windows 7 as well as Windows 8 to cater to your customer's wants.

EDIT: I should probably reword that last bit as you're not saying that HP have done this as an act of agression, you're saying that they are going back on their plans with Android. But still, I may as well leave it.

 
What i'm saying is its not a windows 8 thing. that's the excuse people can use,but I don't believe it has anything to do with consumer OS choice. it has more to do with Microsoft making hardware,and Microsoft potentially stealing their corporate customers. So HP must do something to hurt Microsoft, maybe get them to back off. Their chromebook/android stuff is probably not selling as well as they would have hoped, so they resort to this other tactic, by trying to hurt the adoption of the new OS.
 

I bet HP would feel quite silly if they knew W7 is a MS product.. They need new strategists, like those scroogled guys. They're brilliant!


HPs pc business would be dead if they didn't sell any pcs with windows. Selling an older version of windows hurts the adoption of the new OS,and in turn hurts MS's business.

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Posted 20 January 2014 - 17:14

I bet HP would feel quite silly if they knew W7 is a MS product.. They need new strategists, like those scroogled guys. They're brilliant!

 

Yep, HP is sure sticking it to Microsoft by continuing to buy all those Win 7 licenses from them! Couldn't possibly have anything to do with demand for Windows 8 being absolutely non-existant, we all know Windows 8 is a huge success and loved by all :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 17:26

I'm a fan of Windows 8.x, but obviously there's still a (large) market for Windows 7, so why not offer it? It still has mainstream support for another year.



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 18:06

HPs pc business would be dead if they didn't sell any pcs with windows. Selling an older version of windows hurts the adoption of the new OS,and in turn hurts MS's business.

Ah.. how did I not see this before, those cunning bastards. I bet they'll undermine W9 by offering W8 as option too. Clever girl, I mean HP.

 

Seriously though, why do you get your knickers in a twist about offering the consumer a choice? Were you the guy that said he gets 3000$ or 4000$ a month from the store a while back?



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 19:35

excellent article from gizmodo. finally someone in the tech media gets it.
 

Dear HP: Running From the Future Doesn't Help Anyone
http://gizmodo.com/d...yone-1505017762
 

Windows 8 hate is outdated

HP's big Windows 7 push feeds on—and perpetuates—the worst kind of cursory Windows 8 hate. Hate that's uninformed, off-the-cuff. Hate that's outdated. Windows 8 launched with its issues, among them the lack of any built-in help for the legions of unwitting users blind-sided by live tiles. It wasn't a great launch.

But the days when Windows 8 was kinda busted are over, to whatever extent they were happening in the first place. The biggest barrier to Windows 8-entry has always been confusion, and Windows 8.1 fixed so many of the little things that made an already tough transition rougher, from the lack of tutorials to tiny-but-crucial UI tweaks. Windows 8, today, is both good and accessible.



Windows 8 isn't going away

This isn't the first time hardware manufacturers have tried to pull this kind of OS switcheroo. Sales of Windows XP computers jumped up during the dark days of Vista. Except Vista eventually disappeared, and Windows 8—or more specifically, Windows 8's tiled interface—isn't going to.


Its name might change, and its successor might already be on the way, but Windows 8 is a transition that there's no going back from, no matter what "Windows 9" might bring. Modern-style apps and touchscreen friendly UI aren't just phases desktop computing is going through, they're the effect of a radical restructuring of what using a computer means. A restructuring that's outside of any one company's control.

Clinging to the old guard is just delaying the inevitable. It also ensures that everyone who's trying to run from the future is only going to be even more hopelessly behind when stalling isn't an option anymore.



Really HP? Come on.

But more than anything it's just a lame move, and one that's disappointing to see from a company that has every reason roll up its sleeves and dive head-first into whatever the future might hold. HP has yet to produce a great phone or tablet, took webOS and drove it straight into the ground, and has a software strategy that seems to involve trying to make bloatware cool through sheer force of will. Likewise, running screaming back to Windows 7 to hold on for dear life is something that's doomed to fail sooner or later. We reached out to HP to see if maybe there's a more optimistic take, but so far no response.

If Windows 8 is really a problem, maybe make a point of helping users cope instead of helping them cower and hide with a plan that—at best—offers temporary comfort. This touchscreen, convertible, tablet-ized moment in desktop history can be scary, sure, but HP should know the score. Playing make-believe isn't a solution. Trying to make the best out of what's coming at least has a chance of being one.

So please HP, don't be an enabler. Or if you're going to retreat, at least pick a route that's not a total dead end.